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Post by Tanthya on 2013-07-09, 12:08


Fanaticism , How ever noble or virtuous always ends up hurting someone, leaving few casualty's.. Such was the episode of Jodha Akbar.

Menavati, A desperate mother driven to desperate measures !! Moved to protect her child in any way, all way even resorting to tarnishing her daughter's high standing in her father's eyes ..All for securing her future into a Rajputana Home !! A mother who is willing to see the funeral pyre of her daughter but unwilling to see her in the Harem of a Mughal which is her destiny !! Menavati does not recuse from resorting to extreme steps to get the Sindoor of Suryaban on Jodha's Maang but she fails to take into account the emotions and principles of Jodha . She does not configure that even though Raja Bharmal might have accepted the alliance thrust on him Jodha will not have the same status as before and somewhere the coercion of Suryaban will rankle too .. So would Jodha feeling a sense of betrayal .. Menavati is placed in a precarious position , shifitng either ways will lead to some pain .. but to her ends justify the means ..


Another extreme to me Maham Anga, A zealot, hungry for Power Stealth Virus !! ..Her views y'day showcased the battle of will's that is likely , Nay, That is about to arise between herself and Jodha ..It is going to be quite a interesting battle too .. Y'day also showcased Maham Anga's drive to secure power at any cost, be it snooping into the inner chamber's of the King and the queen.. Maham Anga loves information, news ..anything that gives her power in her hands, she feeds on Power and will not rest quietly when her authority is questioned .. what will she do when Jodha come's?? How will she try to turn it to her advantage .. Poor Jalal is about to be turned into puppet and he doesn't even know , The young kig is blissfully drinking his wine and dreaming of conjugal pleasure , unaware of the storm he is going to unleash in his own Harem, A hurricane that is going to whiplash everything and do what Hercules did with the Augean stables...


The intimate scene between the Husband and wife was a delight to watch ..the easy camaraderie of Jalal and Ruq brought on by the familiarity and the bond of friendship , the inherent mischief and fun in the relationship while on the other side, the stiff and coy relationship of Surya Ban indicating so clearly the newness of it, the budding of it .. am loving both relationships ...


In My earlier post, I had spoken abt Mughal architecture and how disappointed I was to see the lack of richness in JA but y'day view of Ruq's boudoir was simply fabulous, it displayed the richness of Mughal Architecture and I loved it..

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Post by Abavi on 2013-07-09, 12:19

Fab post as usual tants...
 
Ever since Ruq was shown I was waiting to see how Daima and Ruq got along... Even though we arent shown a glimpse of that... the last scene did give us a hint...
 
yes, the relationship between Ruq and Jalal is of friendship with benefits of love and coitus! ... oh so beautiful love... A spouse who is a friend is better than a spouse through romance!
 
Meinavati is trying her best to secure and seal her daughter's fate... which has already slipped through her fingers...
 
I am curious to know when Jalal's alliance comes to their door... how will the equation be... The alliance is now fixed again with Suryabhan with Meinavati's directions and efforts... will the thread snap again, this time due to the negation from Jodha?

 The scene where MA throws the pendant into hot water... Was it indicative of the impressions that she held of people from other religion or was it mere show of power and fear that she induced in her team and peers?

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Post by sarra0 on 2013-07-09, 12:25

Tants nice post... i get that manavati wants the marriage to happen, but me and logic, i can't let it go...jodha and suryabaan knew they did not send the scrolls, they knew they were being played, but not by whom or y, y do u then go out on a little date and wait to b discovered? Or is this the Nasha of falling in love... i didn't realise that that is wat would happen if she was married and he died she would also be placed on the pyre as well and burnt...his actions of trying to protect her is so romantic....

I liked the scene with Mahamanga and the lady outside..The winds r shifting...your prayers r being answered...

The scene between Akbar and Ruqaya was sweet and cute..The friendship, the fact that they have known each other since they were young came across... i am interested to c the relationship between Mahamanga and Ruqaya, there isn't anything she wouldn't do for power....

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Re: ILKDM #4 : Fanaticism and Fantasy !!

Post by Tanthya on 2013-07-09, 12:27

Abavi wrote:Fab post as usual tants...
 
Ever since Ruq was shown I was waiting to see how Daima and Ruq got along... Even though we arent shown a glimpse of that... the last scene did give us a hint...
 
yes, the relationship between Ruq and Jalal is of friendship with benefits of love and coitus! ... oh so beautiful love... A spouse who is a friend is better than a spouse through romance!
 
Meinavati is trying her best to secure and seal her daughter's fate... which has already slipped through her fingers...
 
I am curious to know when Jalal's alliance comes to their door... how will the equation be... The alliance is now fixed again with Suryabhan with Meinavati's directions and efforts... will the thread snap again, this time due to the negation from Jodha?

 The scene where MA throws the pendant into hot water... Was it indicative of the impressions that she held of people from other religion or was it mere show of power and fear that she induced in her team and peers?

Huh!! It is a below Par Post, Vi..Made in haste !!:cry: 


I too am darn curious to know that, from what Riyya had posted, it seemed that her brothers and Father were miffed/guilty and Menavati was looking as if the world was going to end ..lets see how it actually transpires..


It was the impression she held about other religions, she calls that old lady, "kafir' remember ..that usually had negative connotation back then..

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Post by Tanthya on 2013-07-09, 12:39

sarra0 wrote:Tants nice post... i get that manavati wants the marriage to happen, but me and logic, i can't let it go...jodha and suryabaan knew they did not send the scrolls, they knew they were being played, but not by whom or y, y do u then go out on a little date and wait to b discovered? Or is this the Nasha of falling in love... i didn't realise that that is wat would happen if she was married and he died she would also be placed on the pyre as well and burnt...his actions of trying to protect her is so romantic....

I liked the scene with Mahamanga and the lady outside..The winds r shifting...your prayers r being answered...

The scene between Akbar and Ruqaya was sweet and cute..The friendship, the fact that they have known each other since they were young came across... i am interested to c the relationship between Mahamanga and Ruqaya, there isn't anything she wouldn't do for power....

Thank You, Sarra Jaan

No, They did not know that, they come to know only after they meet each other and exchange notes , until then both think the other has sent the post..

Yes, In those days, rather than becoming a sexual slave of Mughals/Afghans , Lots f Rajput ladies opted to die along with their hubbies..


Both Maham and Ruqs like the hold they have over Jalal, It will be interesting to see how they react when an interloper comes in between..

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Post by riyya6 on 2013-07-09, 12:40

loved ur post Thumbsup  tanthya....

1. Jodha mum is really too much, but i like how you explain that it does not matter wat ever happens but she wants her (Jodha) to marry a rajput n not mughal. But i really felt bad when jodha ask her u trust me n she denied it. Of course a plight as a mum but doing like this is not right either.

2. There is a tune for Maham Anga now... kind of horror tune :lol!: .... But agree the scene wer involves her n the old lady..... will be interesting to see wat happens between MA & jodha in future... It was kind of indication..... But again MA is really to much to even step so low-the last scene between Jalal n ruqaiya

3. Im not sure abt u guys, but i dun kind of like ruqaiya. I loved their convo n all showing their r/ship but still i think theres something lacking in ruqaiya.

4. Tanthya i agree on the richness in y/day epi... I loved it 2....

5. There was a scene of sujamal, just wondering will he ask Sharifueden to join hands with him.

6. Overall a good epi but i still find they should move the story forward. Jalal seems totally forgetten abt Jodha in y day epi :lol!: ....


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Post by sarra0 on 2013-07-09, 12:48

Tanthya wrote:
sarra0 wrote:Tants nice post... i get that manavati wants the marriage to happen, but me and logic, i can't let it go...jodha and suryabaan knew they did not send the scrolls, they knew they were being played, but not by whom or y, y do u then go out on a little date and wait to b discovered? Or is this the Nasha of falling in love... i didn't realise that that is wat would happen if she was married and he died she would also be placed on the pyre as well and burnt...his actions of trying to protect her is so romantic....

I liked the scene with Mahamanga and the lady outside..The winds r shifting...your prayers r being answered...

The scene between Akbar and Ruqaya was sweet and cute..The friendship, the fact that they have known each other since they were young came across... i am interested to c the relationship between Mahamanga and Ruqaya, there isn't anything she wouldn't do for power....

Thank You, Sarra Jaan

No, They did not know that, they come to know only after they meet each other and exchange notes , until then both think the other has sent the post..

Yes, In those days, rather than becoming a sexual slave of Mughals/Afghans , Lots f Rajput  ladies opted to die along with their hubbies..


Both Maham and Ruqs like the hold they have over Jalal, It will be interesting to see how they react when  an interloper comes in between..

Sorry I meant they didn't know before they met but knew once they met up, wouldn't u then go your separate ways instead of a boat ride?? But hey young love..

Who knew I would be so interested in harem politics.
. V havnt as yet had an interaction between Mahamanga and Ruqaya as yet and I want a scene, but yep dynamics will get interesting once jodha arrives...and Akbar is obsessed

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Post by Tanthya on 2013-07-09, 13:01

riyya6 wrote:loved ur post Thumbsup  tanthya....

1. Jodha mum is really too much, but i like how you explain that it does not matter wat ever happens but she wants her (Jodha) to marry a rajput n not mughal. But i really felt bad when jodha ask her u trust me n she denied it. Of course a plight as a mum but doing like this is not right either.

2. There is a tune for Maham Anga now... kind of horror tune :lol!: .... But agree the scene wer involves her n the old lady..... will be interesting to see wat happens between MA & jodha in future... It was kind of indication..... But again MA is really to much to even step so low-the last scene between Jalal n ruqaiya

3. Im not sure abt u guys, but i dun kind of like ruqaiya. I loved their convo n all showing their r/ship but still i think theres something lacking in ruqaiya.

4. Tanthya i agree on the richness in y/day epi... I loved it 2....

5. There was a scene of sujamal, just wondering will he ask Sharifueden to join hands with him.

6. Overall a good epi but i still find they should move the story forward. Jalal seems totally forgetten abt Jodha in y day epi :lol!: ....


Thankooj Riyya :) 

Mums can be ruthless when it is about ensuring their daughter's happiness and Menavati is one such mother.. she turned her heart to stone so that Jodha can have that dignity, respect in society and not turn into outcast to be shunned and ostracized by her relatives ..


MA did look creepy and scary y'day :P :P 

I think it is bec Smiley/Ruqs does not apply eyeliner and also that big nose ring covers her jaws , giving a incomplete look..

If the movie is right, then Sujamal will team up with Shareefuddin to get Amer back as well as kill Jalal..

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Post by Tanthya on 2013-07-09, 13:13

sarra0 wrote:
Tanthya wrote:
sarra0 wrote:Tants nice post... i get that manavati wants the marriage to happen, but me and logic, i can't let it go...jodha and suryabaan knew they did not send the scrolls, they knew they were being played, but not by whom or y, y do u then go out on a little date and wait to b discovered? Or is this the Nasha of falling in love... i didn't realise that that is wat would happen if she was married and he died she would also be placed on the pyre as well and burnt...his actions of trying to protect her is so romantic....

I liked the scene with Mahamanga and the lady outside..The winds r shifting...your prayers r being answered...

The scene between Akbar and Ruqaya was sweet and cute..The friendship, the fact that they have known each other since they were young came across... i am interested to c the relationship between Mahamanga and Ruqaya, there isn't anything she wouldn't do for power....

Thank You, Sarra Jaan

No, They did not know that, they come to know only after they meet each other and exchange notes , until then both think the other has sent the post..

Yes, In those days, rather than becoming a sexual slave of Mughals/Afghans , Lots f Rajput  ladies opted to die along with their hubbies..


Both Maham and Ruqs like the hold they have over Jalal, It will be interesting to see how they react when  an interloper comes in between..

Sorry I meant they didn't know before they met but knew once they met up, wouldn't u then go your separate ways instead of a boat ride?? But hey young love..

Who knew I would be so interested in harem politics.
. V havnt as yet had an interaction between Mahamanga and Ruqaya as yet and I want a scene, but yep dynamics will get interesting once jodha arrives...and Akbar is obsessed

Chivalry and fear Psychosis !!.. She is a princess, were she to be abducted , then it would be a severe blow to Rajput prestige , So the guarding of the Amanat by Surya ban.. he accompanies her so tht she may be escorted to safety..


There was a blooper there, Tell me what that was ??

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Post by sarra0 on 2013-07-09, 13:51

Tanthya wrote:
sarra0 wrote:
Tanthya wrote:
sarra0 wrote:Tants nice post... i get that manavati wants the marriage to happen, but me and logic, i can't let it go...jodha and suryabaan knew they did not send the scrolls, they knew they were being played, but not by whom or y, y do u then go out on a little date and wait to b discovered? Or is this the Nasha of falling in love... i didn't realise that that is wat would happen if she was married and he died she would also be placed on the pyre as well and burnt...his actions of trying to protect her is so romantic....

I liked the scene with Mahamanga and the lady outside..The winds r shifting...your prayers r being answered...

The scene between Akbar and Ruqaya was sweet and cute..The friendship, the fact that they have known each other since they were young came across... i am interested to c the relationship between Mahamanga and Ruqaya, there isn't anything she wouldn't do for power....

Thank You, Sarra Jaan

No, They did not know that, they come to know only after they meet each other and exchange notes , until then both think the other has sent the post..

Yes, In those days, rather than becoming a sexual slave of Mughals/Afghans , Lots f Rajput  ladies opted to die along with their hubbies..


Both Maham and Ruqs like the hold they have over Jalal, It will be interesting to see how they react when  an interloper comes in between..

Sorry I meant they didn't know before they met but knew once they met up, wouldn't u then go your separate ways instead of a boat ride?? But hey young love..

Who knew I would be so interested in harem politics.
. V havnt as yet had an interaction between Mahamanga and Ruqaya as yet and I want a scene, but yep dynamics will get interesting once jodha arrives...and Akbar is obsessed

Chivalry and fear Psychosis !!.. She is a princess, were she to be abducted , then it would be a severe blow to Rajput prestige , So the guarding of the Amanat by Surya ban.. he accompanies her so tht she may be escorted to safety..


There was a blooper there, Tell me what that was ??


Ah i didn't see it as her crossing the water to c him.. i thought she was still on her side and the boat ride was for pleasure...and that they returned back to where they started.

Tants wat a time to say wen I am at work and can't replay the video watch it again... [ not that I would still have got it] but i like to pretend...where about was the blooper?

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Post by Abavi on 2013-07-09, 17:00

Tanthya wrote:
Abavi wrote:Fab post as usual tants...
 
Ever since Ruq was shown I was waiting to see how Daima and Ruq got along... Even though we arent shown a glimpse of that... the last scene did give us a hint...
 
yes, the relationship between Ruq and Jalal is of friendship with benefits of love and coitus! ... oh so beautiful love... A spouse who is a friend is better than a spouse through romance!
 
Meinavati is trying her best to secure and seal her daughter's fate... which has already slipped through her fingers...
 
I am curious to know when Jalal's alliance comes to their door... how will the equation be... The alliance is now fixed again with Suryabhan with Meinavati's directions and efforts... will the thread snap again, this time due to the negation from Jodha?

 The scene where MA throws the pendant into hot water... Was it indicative of the impressions that she held of people from other religion or was it mere show of power and fear that she induced in her team and peers?

Huh!! It is a below Par Post, Vi..Made in haste !!:cry: 


I too am darn curious to know that, from what Riyya had posted, it seemed that her brothers and Father were miffed/guilty and Menavati was looking as if the world was going to end ..lets see how it actually transpires..


It was the impression she held about other religions, she calls that old lady, "kafir' remember ..that usually had negative connotation back then..

 Tants, you call this mediocre? You might have written in haste, but you have brought out subtle points in every scene showed yesterday...

P.S: Vi was hit with a bout of food poisoning today morning... :cry:  Had too much virtual Jelebis I suppose...  I should have taken Mamiji's digestion tablets...

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Post by Tanthya on 2013-07-09, 17:29

Abavi wrote:
Tanthya wrote:
Abavi wrote:Fab post as usual tants...
 
Ever since Ruq was shown I was waiting to see how Daima and Ruq got along... Even though we arent shown a glimpse of that... the last scene did give us a hint...
 
yes, the relationship between Ruq and Jalal is of friendship with benefits of love and coitus! ... oh so beautiful love... A spouse who is a friend is better than a spouse through romance!
 
Meinavati is trying her best to secure and seal her daughter's fate... which has already slipped through her fingers...
 
I am curious to know when Jalal's alliance comes to their door... how will the equation be... The alliance is now fixed again with Suryabhan with Meinavati's directions and efforts... will the thread snap again, this time due to the negation from Jodha?

 The scene where MA throws the pendant into hot water... Was it indicative of the impressions that she held of people from other religion or was it mere show of power and fear that she induced in her team and peers?

Huh!! It is a below Par Post, Vi..Made in haste !!:cry: 


I too am darn curious to know that, from what Riyya had posted, it seemed that her brothers and Father were miffed/guilty and Menavati was looking as if the world was going to end ..lets see how it actually transpires..


It was the impression she held about other religions, she calls that old lady, "kafir' remember ..that usually had negative connotation back then..

 Tants, you call this mediocre? You might have written in haste, but you have brought out subtle points in every scene showed yesterday...

P.S: Vi was hit with a bout of food poisoning today morning... :cry:  Had too much virtual Jelebis I suppose...  I should have taken Mamiji's digestion tablets...

Ahhh !! That explains your disappearing act .. I thought you were fainting in sheer joy !!

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Post by --sumana13-- on 2013-08-09, 11:01

Beautifully written by you sathya .... Loved it
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