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Post by pollyanna on 2013-09-02, 12:49

Controversy around Jodha Bai: Just a fleeting thought….


History has always fascinated millions, especially Mughal period which had myriad emotions love, passion, deceit and betrayal, not to forget, this era also focused a lot on art and culture.


Jodha Bai has always been a debatable topic, who was she, how was she and from where did she belong to? Was she the mother of Jahangir? OR was she the wife of Jahangir?  Why she is not mentioned in Akbarnama or Jahangirnama? Even authors who have written novels focusing on the particular characters like Mehrunisa, Laadli , Jahanara etc have adopted a safe route not to give a name to Jahangir’s mother and refer to as first heir born to Hindu Princess/ wife of Akbar.


I was mulling over the topic and just thought about this:



  • Princess of Amer was the first Hindu whom Akbar married; First of its kind and then many a politico-marriage alliance happened with Rajputs.
  • She was the first who set the terms-no conversion to Islam and Krishna’s idol in Mughal harem which Akbar agreed to. This must have created lots of rebellion in Mughal Empire and also his courtiers must not have digested the idea.
  • She was the one who gave first heir to the Mughal throne; Akbar’s chief cohort—Rukayya was childless and Salima gave birth to a son after Salim was born.



Now if we ponder on all these issues and keep in mind the politics of 16th century, Akbar with his courtiers must have come to an understanding—


Since the Hindu princess had borne a child (which was of utmost importance as Akbar was really desperate for an heir), the Muslims did not have any other option left and hence had to accept the child and given his due but on one condition—his mother will fade into oblivion. Posterity will not have any reference to his mother’s name nor much importance given to his mother.


No wonder, neither Abul Fazal who was closest to Akbar nor Jahangir refer anything substantial about Jodha(or whatever name is being prevalent in current times).


If Akbar knew how to read and write AND if Rukayya had given birth to an heir, the history would have been very different.


The love story of Jodha-Akbar remains immortal with only the monuments which stand tall in its testimony.
 



The views expressed are mine and is not intended to hurt anyone’s sentiments---Pallavi J

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Re: Controversy around Jodha Bai: Just a fleeting thought….

Post by Tanthya on 2013-09-02, 12:55

That is coming from Mughal point of view ...but why is there no mention of Jodhan in the chronicles of Rajaputana..

Why was she not mentioned aftr thecdeaths of Akbar n Jodha

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Post by pollyanna on 2013-09-02, 13:02

Sathu, a very pertinent question.....

Since this was the first time when a Rajput was married to a Mughal, this issue might have caused a huge disgrace to the Rajputs in their communtiy, they must have been ostracised from the entire clan. The princess as well as the prince (Man Singh) became a permanent fixture of Mughal Empire.

There are certain articles which says that till the recent times, Rajputs around jaipur areas were looked down from their own fraternity.

Hence there is no accounts of JO-JA history. Moreover History is something which is sorely the POV of the person who is penning it down.

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Post by Tanthya on 2013-09-02, 13:11

pollyanna wrote:Sathu, a very pertinent question.....

Since this was the first time when a Rajput was married to a Mughal, this issue might have caused a huge disgrace to the Rajputs in their communtiy, they must have been ostracised from the entire clan. The princess as well as the prince (Man Singh) became a permanent fixture of Mughal Empire.

There are certain articles which says that till the recent times, Rajputs around jaipur areas were looked down from their own fraternity.

Hence there is no accounts of JO-JA history. Moreover History is something which is sorely the POV of the person who is penning it down.
Jodha was the first but she was not the last.. there were many other Rajput princess who followed Jodha .. So the question of ostracization does not hold water,,

Maan Singh survived Akbar and he had  built a  gigantic  place in North East, neither does he make a mention of Jodha...

There are talks of Rani Maanmati and Jahangir, there is the famous love story of Baz Bahadur and Roopmati ..So why was there a censor on Jodha.. was it bec Jodha did not exist ??

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Post by pollyanna on 2013-09-02, 13:21

Jodha , the name could NOT have existed......but this was a definite that Akbar married a Hindu princess which was the first of sorts......

Now, since the dictatorship was prevalent then, no one would dare question if censorship on the name was put.

Yup, Jodha was not the only one, lots of Rajputs followed suit but mebbe the first Rajput king was blamed for initiating the process and giving in to the demands...hence ignominy for his clan. No one wud lift a finger on Man Singh coz he was no more associated with Rajputs but had become an entity of Mughal empire---he married into the family too.

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Post by sonshine487 on 2013-09-02, 17:45

so what was the origin of this myth?

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Post by pollyanna on 2013-09-02, 17:49

Appu....bazaar-gossips.......which has been talked about for some 400 years now.....every era adding their own mirch-masala......


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Post by sonshine487 on 2013-09-02, 18:01

pollyanna wrote:Appu....bazaar-gossips.......which has been talked about for some 400 years now.....every era adding their own mirch-masala......

I see
I wondered
I googled JB... and got such ambiguous stories
none of them authentic

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Post by Shesherkobita on 2013-09-02, 18:53

Hay Pals... Wonderful munching post... 
Historically wasn't Jodha name of one of the wives of Jahangir ( Akbars son with His hindu queen)? 
All this confusion is due to one over enthusiastic romantic named James Tod ( Lieutenant-Colonel James Tod (20 March 1782 – 18 November 1835) who took it upon himself to write the history of Rajsthan....who couldn't even pronounce Rajsthan. He wrote that Jodha was married to Akbar. .... Give a romantic notion to  it all. 


2 things .... There is no doubt Jahangir was borne from a Hindu queen ( whatever her name was).
No2 .... That particular queen had a special place in court as well the mother of the prince, the future king!


They preferred to call her Marium uz zamani and what not ... But the story of her influence over the emperor must've reigned supreme for a long time, long enough for a foreigner like James Tod to write about it after 200 years. 
She and Akbar shared a robust erm .... romantic life because they produced SEVERAL kids together... So she must've been the one giving Akbar the feeling of normalcy, a family with regular problems ... (Hay your son is dating a court dancer... What? I'll show him who's the king .... :P ) 
Akbar must've had some major influence from her to invent a new religion called Din e Elahi... A religion that mixes philosophy from islam, Hindium, Budhism etc.
He definitely enraged people by inventing this concoction of religion... The backlash was written in history books.... Maybe he was protective of his hindu wife and didnt mention her too much in his autobiography to protect from backlash. But their love story took the form of folk lore...
Sorry abt rambling.... Lovely thought provoking post.

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Post by sonshine487 on 2013-09-02, 19:05

Shesherkobita wrote:Hay Pals... Wonderful munching post... 
Historically wasn't Jodha name of one of the wives of Jahangir ( Akbars son with His hindu queen)? 
All this confusion is due to one over enthusiastic romantic named James Tod ( Lieutenant-Colonel James Tod (20 March 1782 – 18 November 1835) who took it upon himself to write the history of Rajsthan....who couldn't even pronounce Rajsthan. He wrote that Jodha was married to Akbar. .... Give a romantic notion to  it all. 


2 things .... There is no doubt Jahangir was borne from a Hindu queen ( whatever her name was).
No2 .... That particular queen had a special place in court as well the mother of the prince, the future king!


They preferred to call her Marium uz zamani and what not ... But the story of her influence over the emperor must've reigned supreme for a long time, long enough for a foreigner like James Tod to write about it after 200 years. 
She and Akbar shared a robust erm .... romantic life because they produced SEVERAL kids together... So she must've been the one giving Akbar the feeling of normalcy, a family with regular problems ... (Hay your son is dating a court dancer... What? I'll show him who's the king .... :P ) 
Akbar must've had some major influence from her to invent a new religion called Din e Elahi... A religion that mixes philosophy from islam, Hindium, Budhism etc.
He definitely enraged people by inventing this concoction of religion... The backlash was written in history books.... Maybe he was protective of his hindu wife and didnt mention her too much in his autobiography to protect from backlash. But their love story took the form of folk lore...
Sorry abt rambling.... Lovely thought provoking post.
thank you Sabi
yes, I've read about Mariam-u-zamani
but does not that mean she had to convert?
or is it a title given to the mother of the crown-prince?

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Post by pollyanna on 2013-09-02, 19:35

Shesherkobita wrote:Hay Pals... Wonderful munching post... 
Historically wasn't Jodha name of one of the wives of Jahangir ( Akbars son with His hindu queen)? 
All this confusion is due to one over enthusiastic romantic named James Tod ( Lieutenant-Colonel James Tod (20 March 1782 – 18 November 1835) who took it upon himself to write the history of Rajsthan....who couldn't even pronounce Rajsthan. He wrote that Jodha was married to Akbar. .... Give a romantic notion to  it all. 


2 things .... There is no doubt Jahangir was borne from a Hindu queen ( whatever her name was).
No2 .... That particular queen had a special place in court as well the mother of the prince, the future king!


They preferred to call her Marium uz zamani and what not ... But the story of her influence over the emperor must've reigned supreme for a long time, long enough for a foreigner like James Tod to write about it after 200 years. 
She and Akbar shared a robust erm .... romantic life because they produced SEVERAL kids together... So she must've been the one giving Akbar the feeling of normalcy, a family with regular problems ... (Hay your son is dating a court dancer... What? I'll show him who's the king .... :P ) 
Akbar must've had some major influence from her to invent a new religion called Din e Elahi... A religion that mixes philosophy from islam, Hindium, Budhism etc.
He definitely enraged people by inventing this concoction of religion... The backlash was written in history books.... Maybe he was protective of his hindu wife and didnt mention her too much in his autobiography to protect from backlash. But their love story took the form of folk lore...
Sorry abt rambling.... Lovely thought provoking post.
Love reading u Sabi.and thanks for liking my thoughts Wink :P ..why sorry...u always bring out some key info in your comments /posts :) bounce 

Oh No!!! Another English man to be blamed for yet another MU :P Nonetheless, like u said, its a certain that Akbar LOVED his Hindu wife and rest is history Wink 

Sometimes I feel sad that we do not have authentic sources for  such rich and beautiful history but I guess this enigma adds to the charisma of their love story :) :)

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Post by pollyanna on 2013-09-02, 19:36

sonshine487 wrote:
Shesherkobita wrote:Hay Pals... Wonderful munching post... 
Historically wasn't Jodha name of one of the wives of Jahangir ( Akbars son with His hindu queen)? 
All this confusion is due to one over enthusiastic romantic named James Tod ( Lieutenant-Colonel James Tod (20 March 1782 – 18 November 1835) who took it upon himself to write the history of Rajsthan....who couldn't even pronounce Rajsthan. He wrote that Jodha was married to Akbar. .... Give a romantic notion to  it all. 


2 things .... There is no doubt Jahangir was borne from a Hindu queen ( whatever her name was).
No2 .... That particular queen had a special place in court as well the mother of the prince, the future king!


They preferred to call her Marium uz zamani and what not ... But the story of her influence over the emperor must've reigned supreme for a long time, long enough for a foreigner like James Tod to write about it after 200 years. 
She and Akbar shared a robust erm .... romantic life because they produced SEVERAL kids together... So she must've been the one giving Akbar the feeling of normalcy, a family with regular problems ... (Hay your son is dating a court dancer... What? I'll show him who's the king .... :P ) 
Akbar must've had some major influence from her to invent a new religion called Din e Elahi... A religion that mixes philosophy from islam, Hindium, Budhism etc.
He definitely enraged people by inventing this concoction of religion... The backlash was written in history books.... Maybe he was protective of his hindu wife and didnt mention her too much in his autobiography to protect from backlash. But their love story took the form of folk lore...
Sorry abt rambling.... Lovely thought provoking post.
thank you Sabi
yes, I've read about Mariam-u-zamani
but does not that mean she had to convert?
or is it a title given to the mother of the crown-prince?
Its a title Appu :)

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Post by sunshine99 on 2013-09-03, 06:35

Pallo I got a copy of Abul Fazal's  Akbarnama's English translation by H Beveridge and it is a fascinating read. I could hardly find much reference to Jodha in the work though there is a chapter dedicated to the marriage and the reason why it took place. Excerpts from the chapter.

"His Majesty with his discerning glance read devotion and sincerity in the behaviour of the Rajah and his relatives. He captured his heart by kindness and exalted his rank. The Rajah from right-thinking and elevated fortune considered that he should bring himself out of the ruck of landholders and make himself one of the distin­guished ones of the Court. In order to effect this purpose he thought of a special alliance, to wit that he should by means of those who had the right of entrée introduce his eldest daughter, in whose forehead shone the lights of chastity and intellect, among the atten­dants on the glorious pavilion. Inasmuch as graciousness is natural to His Majesty theShāhinshāh his petition was accepted and His Majesty sent him off from this station along with Caghatai Khān in order that he might arrange for this alliance, which is the material of the eternal glory of the family, and quickly bring his daughter.
 Rajah Bihārī Mal from the sincerity of his disposition made the arrangements for the marriage in the most admirable manner and brought his fortunate daughter to this station and placed her among the ladies of the harem. For the purpose of holding the marriage-feast the imperial cavalcade halted for a day in Sāmbhar. At the same place leave to depart was given to Sharafu-d-dīn Ḥusain, and His Majesty set off rapidly on his march." 

Interestingly there is no mention of BihariMal or his daughter being in a position in to dictate the terms of a Hindu marriage. In fact Akbar Nama doesnot mention much about the stronghold of women in the court politics either..


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Post by pollyanna on 2013-09-03, 10:59

Thanku so much Koel.....hug1 

love u for bringing this piece here, history is indeed biased "HIS -Story"



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Post by Tanthya on 2013-09-03, 11:03

The personality of the daughter is not brought forward while BihariMal  is shown to be full of humility and  gratitude which he ought to be in view of the fact he got his 4 sons back from the jaws of death..

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Post by sonshine487 on 2013-09-03, 17:04

Tanthya wrote:The personality of the daughter is not brought forward while BihariMal  is shown to be full of humility and  gratitude which he ought to be in view of the fact he got his 4 sons back from the jaws of death..
"Women didn't Count!"
But the wily ones had their way anyway!
It is only in writing that they were obscured... Sad!

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