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Post by sashashyam on 2014-05-16, 15:01

Folks,


No, I have not been led astray by the beguiling appeal of alliteration! Last night’s episode was exactly like my title.


And it does not, or rather need not mean that the legion of  (closet and open) starry-eyed optimists who abound here  have to go into a blue funk imagining that I am going to trash the Great Romance that they see budding at long last, to their aseem sukoon! I am no Grinch, out  to steal their Christmas,  plus, though I am a self-certified semi-cynic, I too enjoyed the opening segment a lot, though with a somewhat more critical  eye than most of my dear young ladies here.
So relax, folks, and get set for a somewhat hatke  interpretation of the goings on last night, and indeed over the last 4 episodes. I hope that at the end of it all, you will still be with me!

Jodha 1: All of us, without exception, were startled and shocked, pleasantly or bemusedly or both,   by the Jodha Begum we saw last night. The sole exception being Sam, who has been  chosen for the Clairvoyant of the Year award by the ITA for actually predicting, with about 90% accuracy, what Jodha Begum would do with that chabuk!!

In fact, we have all been feeling dazed by  the accelerating change in Jodha even since she came back from the Kali Mandir in Amer. Till then, she  seemed perfectlyready, to the unspoken despair for her parents, to settle down in Amer for keeps. There was no restlessness, no longing to be with Jalal, no feeling that she was adhoori  without him, and this was best exemplified by her casual, relaxed conversation with Shaguni Bai at the mandir, and her puzzlement at the visionary’s cryptic pronouncements.

Even after learning of the teerthkar  aboilition, all the Jodha would say, with a kind of smug condescension, was Shahenshah badalne lage hain… unka hriday jagne laga hai...( this about an emperor who has gone thru hell to find her and then pleaded with her to forgive him,  whereas a true blue Rajvanshi husband would have left her where she was and barred her return!),  which did  not hint at love of any kind.


The contrast with a Jalal pining away for this disdainful and self-sufficient wife, and making a perfect spectacle of himself in Agra, heedless of his rank and his prestige, was glaring. It was as if a Majnun had been shackled to a La Belle Dame Sans Merci (the disdainful lady  who drove Keats’ wandering knight mad with longing for her unattainable beauty)

It was thus not unreasonable of me to conclude that Jodha’s half-hearted encomiums for Jalal sounded exactly like a schoolteacher patting her star student on the head for a brilliant score in an exam. Not like the desperate eagerness of a woman in love, though she will not acknowledge it, to be back with the man she loves. And that  Jodha  had started thinking of getting back to Agra and the Shahenshah because she felt  her attempts to “reform” him had started succeeding, and she wanted to be there to exult in what she saw as her success.
 
She was what I would call Jodha 1, the original Jodha. Self-righteous, preachy, opinionated, stubborn,and when it came to her soubhagya aur patidev, Jalal, entirely devoid of either understanding or compassion, but only  filled with a desire to make him her Exhibit No. 1, or a poster boy, for the success her reform tactics.


The Changeling Consort: Jodha 2: But curiously enough, somewhere in the last stage of her journey back to the Amer palace from the Kali Mandir, Jodha 1 seems to have disappeared.
In her stead, we now have Jodha 2, who earlier  had a short duration outing as Kajri, only to  be squashed back into a dark corner of Jodha Begum’s psyche by  the dominant Jodha 1. She has now somehow escaped from her straightjacket, and has locked Jodha 1 into the emotional pillory in which she had been held prisoner.  Where I devoutly hope  Jodha 1 will stay for the rest of her living days, for the very idea of having her  back  is enough to give one the willies!


Let us look around for proof of this somewhat startling assertion, which is not as bizarre as it seems at first sight.


The warring duo:  Jodha Begum is simply a split personality disorder patient. Her dominant personality is Jodha 1, but a Jodha 2 has always existed in the shadow of the other, at times modifying and softening the behaviour of the stronger entity, but never on a permanent basis.
Her one solo outing,  from the end of the Benazir track  - remember my Sunlight on a Butterfly’s Wings  post, and her halting a departing Jalal with an emphatic Nahin!, and coquettishly insisting on his taking her out into the Angoori Bagh? -  till the end of the  pilgrimage to Sikri, was pure delight.

I LOVED the  sassy, gently and subtly assertive Kajri, feeding her bhartar  jowar ki roti  with all the affectionate familiarity of a farmer’s wife with her spouse, blushing dreamily at the Sheik’s prophecy that she  would be the Maryam-uz-Zamani and bear the heir to the Mughal throne, and even flirting openly with Jalal, running away from him with her dupatta between her teeth, in true gaon ki gori  style.  When she vanished without a trace- pushed aside once more by the resurgent Jodha 1, I missed her for weeks.



But Jodha 2 must have been there all right, lying low  and looking for just the right moment. And when it came, on the way back from the Kali Mandir, she elbowed the unpleasant Jodha 1 aside smartly, locked her safely up, and sallied forth to take charge of Jodha Begum’s persona.


A sea change: From then on, everything changed, like the bhor  that Jodha 2, looking dreamily up at the moon at her night halt on the way to Agra, wanted to hasten so that she could be back with her Shahenshah that much sooner. There was now the lajana, sharmana, aahein bharna, chaand ko niharna, neend udh jaana, everything, in short, as prescribed in our Sanskrit classics,  for a virahotkhandita nayika,  a heroine separated from her beloved.


This Jodha does talk of her Ammijaan, of Salima and little Rahim, as the ones she has hurt thru her heedless folly and whom she misses badly, but the one name she does not utter is there in the secret smile in her downcast  eyes, the one that both Mansingh and Shehnaaz read accurately. It is there too in her open query Hamare liye koyi sandesh bheja hai unhon ne? 


And  in her clear understanding of what her Siamese twin, Jodha 1, has saddled her with thru her inexcusable hat, ahankaar, & krodh. She speaks of this too openly to Mansingh and the others, but in fact she is then speaking to herself, for she has a steep hill of contrition to climb at Agra, and that will be, above all others,  for what Jodha 1 has done  to Jalal.

Jodha 2 in Agra: She is still a little shaky and awkward in her new found freedom, is Jodha  2, and hesitant, but when she spots  Jalal, whom her eyes have been stealthily seeking all thru the ceremonial welcome,  her heart shows in her eyes, and she is near tears. Tears of relief, tears of  regret, tears of guilt.

By the end of the Kanha moorthi sthapana,  she is on pins, eager to get that load of guilt off her chest, but to her disappointment, Jalal puts her off gently ( I am dead  sure he wanted to consult Salima Begum once again about how to handle the next stage! hpee ).


When Shivani and Moti (who is easily the worst actress in Jodha Akbar; listening to her deliver all those lines about the Shahenshah’s peedha  in a flat, dead monotone, with pauses in all the wrong places, was enough to drive anyone up the nearest wall) tease her, Jodha 2 is hardly  there. Her expressions and her responses are all mechanical, though she does not fail to digest the fact that Jalal was so distraught at her absence that he was almost besides himself.


She is  in an inner  refuge of her own, talking to herself:  Ab hum kya karein? Shahenshah se sheegrathi sheegra kshama maangni hogi. Hamare us roop ke itne ahankaari vyavahaar ke paschat bhi unhon ne hamare liye kitna kuch kiya hai! Itna bhavya swagat samaroh karvaya! Kanha ki punar sthapana bhi karvayi! 


Mujhe swayam unke paas jaan hoga, aur abhi! Yeh donon kabh jayengi ki main nikal sakoon? Shivani ko Tejwant ke pas bhejhkar Moti ko kisi aur karya par ravana kar dete hain. Phir nikalte hain.
And that is precisely what  she does, to Jalal’s considerable dismay and alarm when she lands up on him out of the blue!


The Great Confession: Now this was exactly  as Sam had envisaged it. She had written to me: And about his asking her to punish him, I hope she says something like "Ok. I'll punish you, but only if you grant me the same punishment. Coz I too hurt you. May be more than you hurt me. Coz I started the whole mess by hiding truth from you.. Last night, I remembered this and was shellshocked;  the CVs have now got serious competition!


But it would be what one would expect of Jodha 2, anyway. She can see the depth of Jalal’s  pain, the crushing sense  of guilt that still weighs him down, as her insensitive alter ego could never do. And she cannot bear to see him humiliate himself so much, stoop so low, again in contrast with Jodha 1, who watched  haughtily while her husband bent his imperial head and sought her pardon with folded hands,  and then turned him down flat with rock hard arrogance.


This Jodha also realises that for her to simply pardon Jalal, as he wants her to do, would still leave him as her karzdaar, laboring under a lifelong burden of gratitude. And this  she would want to avoid at all costs.

The only way to do that would be to make herself out, and rightly and honestly so, to be as guilty as he was, and in fact more so, for her failings were  the cause for all the mistakes he made. Her unwarranted lack of candour, her deliberate hiding of the truth.
 

Which is what she proceeds to do, calmly and with unshakeable logic. And in doing so, for all his counter-arguments (which reminded me of the Lucknowi friends who kept saying Aap pehle till the train left without either of them!)  she leaches the poison of excessive guilt and undue  self-hate out of Jalal’s zehen.  


I simply could not stand it when he started his head bent and hands folded routine all over again, and I felt like clouting him. But it was a relief when this Jodha put an instant stop to it (unlike Jodha 1, who watched the same gesture by Jalal with hard, unyielding eyes), bringing up the same traditional arguments against such behaviour that one would have expected of a Rajput queen: Ek pati apni patni ke saamne jhuke, yeh uchit nahin. Aur ek Shahenshah apni begum ke saamne jhuke, yeh aur bhi uchit nahin..


The reason why I cannot tell !:  I too wondered why Jodha 2, after clarifying why she did NOT return, does not add that one line Aapke liye, aapke saath ke liye, kyonki hamein gyath hua hai ki hum aapke bina adhoori hain. 


And about all that talk of his having become the best of men, the best Shahenshah, of her having fulfilled her pran. What pran?  This must be the latest in the long list of mysterious zubaans  and vaadas that populate the script of Jodha Akbar (or what passes for it, up there  in the august company of Jalal’s  non-existent zubaan  not to touch Jodha without her explicit consent. 


The only explanation that I can think of it that 


(a) she is too inhibited and shy to confess her love out cold turkey, which is understandable  in any age not to speak of the 16th century , and 


(b)less understandable and indeed very foolish, that  she needs him to say it out first that all that he has done before and after she left Agra, from his blind rage to his desperate hunt for her, were activated not by pure possessiveness and jealousy before her departure and by pure guilt ever since, but by his need for her. That when he told her in Mathura Hum aapke bina ek pal bhi nahin rah sakte,  he meant it and still means it.


So she falls back on the kind of explanation Jodha 1 would have chosen, which is safe and does not leave her exposed. Plus, she wouldexpect an  alpha male like Jalal (however little like one he has been of late!) to pick up the ball she tosses – Humein garv hai ki hum aapki patni hain (not ki aap humare pati hain, there is a nuance there!) and run  with it.

The timely dust mote in the eye!: But he does not do anything, and continues to stare at her . She probably then grasps, for Jodha 2 is far more perceptive than the other one, that he will never make another move on his own, for the shadow of the dhakka still lingers in his zehen.



But she can hardly grab his hand on her own either. Whence the very timely grain of dust, driven by a non-existent wind (one saw no curtains billowing in the room!) , and lo and behold, Jodha has Jalal up close and personal, blowing into her eye from 6 inches away! The girl is learning fast, or maybe she was always like this, witness Kajri! hpee 

Discreet invitation: What next? He is still doing nothing. Whence her  hand, still on his sleeve, which now moves slowly up to grasp his hand as he watches in near disbelief. Incidentally, Paridhi has delicate, tapering fingers.

Whence the discreet but clearly come hither look from madh bhare nain,  that too so close that he must have  felt dizzy. Dark, inviting  eyes that rise to his,  and then fall,  in carefully orchestrated shyness that encourages rather than repels.

Jalal gets it at long last, screws his courage to the sticking point (apologies to the Bard and his immortal Lady Macbeth), and scoops Jodha up into an embrace that must seem, to him, like a dream. He is  limp with relief , and that shows in his helpless weeping on her shoulder (a path-breaking innovation in the standard operating procedures for romance! hpee ).

Jodha does not weep, but her dark eyes are soft. She is the strong one  here, and it shows. But she is also a woman, held close in the arms of her husband for the first time ever, and the ice maiden melts. Slowly, hesitantly, her left arm comes up to grasp his shoulder as she snuggles into his embrace. And Jalal, noting it with incredulous eyes, draws her closer, now with a sense of entitlement that is free of any fear of rejection.

As he  releases her and move slightly apart, she is still under the spell, and it  shows. It is only now that the old Jalal resurfaces, as he caresses her cheek with a gentle tenderness that says far more than a passionate embrace, and brings her as close as the TV censors will allow. They are both so immersed in each other and this new found closeness that the world outside ceases to exist.

At least till Ruqaiya stage manages that loud crashing descent to the floor, after knocking over as large a vase as  she could  find. hpee 

I loved the precap, not so much for what it showed  of the new Jodha, but for what it showed of a new Jalal. This is not  the buccaneering free spirit who gate crashed blithely into  Amer to catch a glimpse of the registan ki gulab. Nor the  dominating Shahenshah with the innumerable begums, cocksure that they would all be yearning for his company.

This is a young man new to love, but  full of fresh, delighted confidence that his love is not one-sided.  That shows in the delicacy and yet the possessiveness with which he tucks the tendril of wet hair behind his Jodha Begum’s ear as she offers him the aarti, and looks at the lights that shimmer in her eyes.

The rest: Do not count for much.


Ruqaiya is clearly planning to announce that she is expecting again. I liked Jalal a  lot in the scene  when he helps  her to her room, tucks her in with anxious  solicitude, lectures her about eating properly, instructs  her baandis about what has to be done for her, and kisses her affectionately on the forehead before he leaves. That is how he should be with his childhood pal and first begum.

I was struck, and pleased,  by the lost look in Jodha’s eyes as Jalal escorts Ruqaiya to her  rooms, her arm about his shoulder, and she is suddenly left  to her own devices. That is one of the downsides of love. We shall see if she makes any progress down this particular road in the days ahead.

Jodha’s tulsi plant looks scrawny for all of Jalal’s regular watering and his recitals of the Gayatri mantra. Probably he wept  too much into it as well. Salt is not good for plants! hpee 

I could make nothing of the Shehnaaz-Mahaam scene. As for Mahaam and that so-called child/baby in the cave, I must say that its whimpering sounds distinctly adult, and I can make no sense of Mahaam’s blabberings. I am not holding my breath for another Laki!

So, here we wind up, and wait to see what tonight brings us.

Shyamala/Aunty


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Re: Jodha Akbar 240: The Curious Case of the Changeling Consort

Post by akdha on 2014-05-16, 15:46

Hi Aunty, i am first! i read it b4 getting a pm. Super post Thumbsup The split personality makes me confused! as far as we see her wifey characters , and akdha scenes together, i am fine!

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Post by sashashyam on 2014-05-16, 15:49

My dear, I am glad you liked it; I did it only for  you all, taking 3 hours over it on election results day! I too hope that Jodha 2 stays put now. You see, I took the split personalituy explanation because I wanted to explain the sudden 180 degrees switch in her personality overnight.Shyamala Auntyakdha wrote:Hi Aunty, i am first! i read it b4 getting a pm. Super post Thumbsup The split personality makes me confused! as far as we see her wifey characters , and akdha scenes together, i am fine!

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Post by divyavm on 2014-05-16, 16:18

Shyamala Aunty, 

You are right, I did make a feel gooder to celebrate Jodha's apology. I had promised a few buddies I would do a take 5 for Jodha when she apologizes. I did not PM you as I knew you would laugh at its silliness. 

About this Jodha 1 and Jodha 2 ... I had a similar theory to how to make sense of this track ... 

Jodha A:  is the first Jodha, who believes Jalal is heartless and ruthless and can see no good in him

Jodha B: Understands his heart and cares for him 

After the outburst, she reverted to Jodha A. This is the only way I can explain the "he has no heart", "never felt any love from him" and her cold behavior towards him 

Somehow with the reminders of his heart - like Shivani and the pilgrimage tax- she flipped the switch and became Jodha B and decided to come back and suddenly was back to loving him. 

By the way, Mainavati also agreed with us and said "she looks like she is ready to settle in Amer and never go to Agra" so we are not alone in thinking that. It was not even unspoken. 

About the "pran" that was the one moment I winced in the episode- I could only think her "pran" might refer to her effort on his birthday to see him connected with his people.  or maybe her own pran to finally recognize her husband's heart once and for all. 

And about her saying he now has a heart, I view it as in her vision - before, her tunnel vision (filled with early prejudices , pride, and later hurt) didn't let her see this heart and now she recognizes it fully. 

Great post as always Shyamala Aunty!

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Post by sashashyam on 2014-05-16, 16:41





Thank you, Divya dear, and I will look out for your Take 5. I knew you would not be able to resist it!

I do not think  Jodha 2 came back because of Shivani  or the teerthkar.She came back because she wants to be with Jalal. But of course she will not say it out loud, and in a woman that is understandable.

But she is quite  resourceful; I am sure she faked the dust in her eye. There was  no wind there. Not bad.

Shyamala Aunty


divyavmShyamala Aunty, 

You are right, I did make a feel gooder to celebrate Jodha's apology. I had promised a few buddies I would do a take 5 for Jodha when she apologizes. I did not PM you as I knew you would laugh at its silliness. 

About this Jodha 1 and Jodha 2 ... I had a similar theory to how to make sense of this track ... 

Jodha A:  is the first Jodha, who believes Jalal is heartless and ruthless and can see no good in him

Jodha B: Understands his heart and cares for him 

After the outburst, she reverted to Jodha A. This is the only way I can explain the "he has no heart", "never felt any love from him" and her cold behavior towards him 

Somehow with the reminders of his heart - like Shivani and the pilgrimage tax- she flipped the switch and became Jodha B and decided to come back and suddenly was back to loving him. 

By the way, Mainavati also agreed with us and said "she looks like she is ready to settle in Amer and never go to Agra" so we are not alone in thinking that. It was not even unspoken. 

About the "pran" that was the one moment I winced in the episode- I could only think her "pran" might refer to her effort on his birthday to see him connected with his people.  or maybe her own pran to finally recognize her husband's heart once and for all. 

And about her saying he now has a heart, I view it as in her vision - before, her tunnel vision (filled with early prejudices , pride, and later hurt) didn't let her see this heart and now she recognizes it fully. 

Great post as always Shyamala Aunty!

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Post by mishti on 2014-05-16, 16:48

Thanks for the PM Aunty. Good to see that you too enjoyed Jalal-Jodha's budding romance.  luv 

Your split-personality disorder si the only probable explaination with which we can watch Jodha.  Bang

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Post by divyavm on 2014-05-16, 16:50

sashashyam wrote:
She may have come back for the man ... But the Reason she switched from Jodha A to Jodha B I believe was Shivani and the pilgrimage tax ... She in her self-talk said those two things touched her heart. I go by dialogues ... And try to not to make up things on her behalf like most folks in IF who felt her hurt, her self-respect, and turmoil for her  hpee 


Once she was Jodha B ... She had to come back. 






Thank you, Divya dear, and I will look out for your Take 5. I knew you would not be able to resist it!

I do not think  Jodha 2 came back because of Shivani  or the teerthkar.She came back because she wants to be with Jalal. But of course she will not say it out loud, and in a woman that is understandable.

But she is quite  resourceful; I am sure she faked the dust in her eye. There was  no wind there. Not bad.

Shyamala Aunty


divyavmShyamala Aunty, 

You are right, I did make a feel gooder to celebrate Jodha's apology. I had promised a few buddies I would do a take 5 for Jodha when she apologizes. I did not PM you as I knew you would laugh at its silliness. 

About this Jodha 1 and Jodha 2 ... I had a similar theory to how to make sense of this track ... 

Jodha A:  is the first Jodha, who believes Jalal is heartless and ruthless and can see no good in him

Jodha B: Understands his heart and cares for him 

After the outburst, she reverted to Jodha A. This is the only way I can explain the "he has no heart", "never felt any love from him" and her cold behavior towards him 

Somehow with the reminders of his heart - like Shivani and the pilgrimage tax- she flipped the switch and became Jodha B and decided to come back and suddenly was back to loving him. 

By the way, Mainavati also agreed with us and said "she looks like she is ready to settle in Amer and never go to Agra" so we are not alone in thinking that. It was not even unspoken. 

About the "pran" that was the one moment I winced in the episode- I could only think her "pran" might refer to her effort on his birthday to see him connected with his people.  or maybe her own pran to finally recognize her husband's heart once and for all. 

And about her saying he now has a heart, I view it as in her vision - before, her tunnel vision (filled with early prejudices , pride, and later hurt) didn't let her see this heart and now she recognizes it fully. 

Great post as always Shyamala Aunty!

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Post by sashashyam on 2014-05-16, 17:05

But then,my dear, Jodha B was lying when she specifically denied that she came back because of those 2 specific incidents. Moreover, remember that after she decides to go back to Agra, she never refers to those 2 matters at all. The comment you refer to it is the one by the rooh of MUZ, and God know if that was Jodha 1 or not!Shyamala Auntydivyavm wrote: hpee 
sashashyam wrote:
She may have come back for the man ... But the Reason she switched from Jodha A to Jodha B I believe was Shivani and the pilgrimage tax ... She in her self-talk said those two things touched her heart. I go by dialogues ... And try to not to make up things on her behalf like most folks in IF who felt her hurt, her self-respect, and turmoil for her  hpee 


Once she was Jodha B ... She had to come back. 






Thank you, Divya dear, and I will look out for your Take 5. I knew you would not be able to resist it!

I do not think  Jodha 2 came back because of Shivani  or the teerthkar.She came back because she wants to be with Jalal. But of course she will not say it out loud, and in a woman that is understandable.

But she is quite  resourceful; I am sure she faked the dust in her eye. There was  no wind there. Not bad.

Shyamala Aunty


divyavmShyamala Aunty, 

You are right, I did make a feel gooder to celebrate Jodha's apology. I had promised a few buddies I would do a take 5 for Jodha when she apologizes. I did not PM you as I knew you would laugh at its silliness. 

About this Jodha 1 and Jodha 2 ... I had a similar theory to how to make sense of this track ... 

Jodha A:  is the first Jodha, who believes Jalal is heartless and ruthless and can see no good in him

Jodha B: Understands his heart and cares for him 

After the outburst, she reverted to Jodha A. This is the only way I can explain the "he has no heart", "never felt any love from him" and her cold behavior towards him 

Somehow with the reminders of his heart - like Shivani and the pilgrimage tax- she flipped the switch and became Jodha B and decided to come back and suddenly was back to loving him. 

By the way, Mainavati also agreed with us and said "she looks like she is ready to settle in Amer and never go to Agra" so we are not alone in thinking that. It was not even unspoken. 

About the "pran" that was the one moment I winced in the episode- I could only think her "pran" might refer to her effort on his birthday to see him connected with his people.  or maybe her own pran to finally recognize her husband's heart once and for all. 

And about her saying he now has a heart, I view it as in her vision - before, her tunnel vision (filled with early prejudices , pride, and later hurt) didn't let her see this heart and now she recognizes it fully. 

Great post as always Shyamala Aunty!

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Post by JeannieJA on 2014-05-16, 18:01

Lovely post Aunty  long hug 
Really really appreciate you trying to make sense of the Jodha we began with, we get every now and then and the Jodha we have now  hpee 
But as far as I am concerned I am just gonna tolerate the Jodha we have now just because of her 2 lines of apology to Jalal yesterday. She is not getting in my good books till she does anything majorly wife like towards Jalal and becomes his support system and not his teacher/mentor whatever she becomes when she preaches to him  Rolling Eyes 
I know I am being harsh on her but well she is nothing but the same with Jalal  bounce and also PSs not so good acting does not endear Jodha to me either  No 
As far as her pran is concerned I am sure it was something along the lines of "Hum iss Jallad Jalal ko Rotlu Hamaal banakar rahenge" and well she succeeded"  Bang 
Absolutely loving Rajat's expressions in the show even though Jalal needs some serious tear duct replacement  Bang 
Thank you for the pm Aunty  long hug

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Post by Greeshma014 on 2014-05-16, 18:18

Aunty, i totally loved how u differentiated jodha 1 and jodha 2..seriously she has multiple personality disorder..i loved jodha yesterday.. Loved all her dialogues except her "pran"..chalo,koi baat nai.. , bachi hai na??  hppy ..But this jodha 2 always make a guest appearence after every misunderstanding..den vanishes after 4-5 days..But now i want her permenent stay in Agra. hpee .tata bye bye to jo1,and hello hai 2 ho2..Aunty i also liked how he took care of Ruk..I don't like Ruk watching AkDha hug..it's very painful for any woman..if dey show she is coming towards jallu's hojra and guard stops her saying he is with Jo ,and Ruk got jealous..it was far better dan dis..

Aunty, R u sure Ruk wil fake pregnency..my god, i don't want dat..Already my Jalal suffered so much becoz of Jo,now Ruk too..Give my jallu a break CVs..i don't mind Ruk doin sumthing to harm Jo, and jallu dtop talking with her becoz of dat..But i can't see her playing with jallu's emotion..She already suffered from miscarriage..she know how it feels..she and jallu gone through the pain of losing a child..den how can she do dis??

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Post by sashashyam on 2014-05-16, 18:41

You know, Mishti (how l love your name!) what I want is for Jodha 2 to become street smart and manoeuvre cleverly  to negate all these chaals directed against her. Plus to learn how to coquette with Jalal. Every girl must know that, and Kajri knew that instinctively. So I have some hopes of this Jodha 2! Provided Jodha 1 does not escape and take over again!Then the show is doomed. Shyamala Auntymishti wrote:Thanks for the PM Aunty. Good to see that you too enjoyed Jalal-Jodha's budding romance.  luv 

Your split-personality disorder si the only probable explaination with which we can watch Jodha.  Bang

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Post by adianasr on 2014-05-16, 20:41

Shyamala, Jodha is still not there, hope this Jodha 2 gets there at least - and though Paridhi's act as Jodha 2 / Kajri was an improvement - but I dont expect wonders from her - at least her competence is coming thru now - but then that is all she is - Competent - which is unfortunate for her since she is facing brilliance - in any other show with any other actor she would not have come croppers.

Anyway, I am hoping atleast now this Jodha 2 of yours has the ability to let go her fears!!!!

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Post by sandhya on 2014-05-16, 21:11

Dear Aunty

Haven't been watching the episodes fully. The net is awfully slow here. Just a few scenes here and there and Tantya's written updates, which are more enjoyable than the weepy Jalal episodes that I saw last. Hope the recent ones are better.

Jodha 2 is a blessed relief though not as much as Kajiri or Jodha of Sunshine on Butterfly wings. Let us see how long it is before Jodha 1 resurfaces. Evil or Very Mad  Even if Jodha 1 is destroyed forever and Jodha 2 is a permanent resident, I would still feel that she is far short of our Jelly. As her responses are only a reaction to his goodness and understanding deep affection.

btw, ..........the script writers are churaofying from the ever-full Mahabharat............Duryodhan taking the seat next to Krishna's pillow and Arjun at Krishna's feet.

Moral of the story is that Ruqaiyya is certainly going to be made  the next Duryodhan of the story.

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Post by sunshine-sun on 2014-05-16, 21:56

congratualtion Aunty for opening this thread  hpee 

great post ! looking forward to more :)
i want to know abt ur views on tonight epi  hpee

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Post by pollyanna on 2014-05-16, 22:20

Loved it Aunty  Thumbsup  Thumbsup ......I want the right mix of jodha 1 and 2....

also I feel pari shld really emote in the real sense when she is with Rajat.....Rajat is top notch while Pari looks forced or fake.....(just my POV)

i am loving the short, romantic scenes between J-J , luks like the culmination will happen only after IPL :(

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Post by ngayou on 2014-05-16, 22:30

Hello Aunty,  good to see u r better now. Couldn't reply to ur last few posts bcos I had some travelling to do & missed a couple of epis. I decided to give them a miss after reading the written updates, but I definitely read all ur posts , Aunty. hpee 

I like ur split personality explanation for our Jodha begum a lot. Only way to explain her weird behaviour & her even worser memory when it comes to remembering Jalal s goodness. I forgave her when she finally decided to accept that she was the root cause for the recent MU & apologised to Jalal admitting it was her ego that stopped her till now. All the other accompanying words I tuned out.

Regarding the love quotient she has for Jalal, maybe we ll be shown her progress or this is all we might get, but as u say, if Jodha 2 remains, then I ll overlook her kamiyaan hpee .

Ruqs character seems to be ready for some major butchering, so now we ve to be ready for that. But as long as Jalal is balancing his relationship between these 2 begums am happy. 

Keeping fingers crossed that Jodha 2 s here to stay permanently & Jodha 1 is completely gone with the wind & maybe we ll get some more glimpses of our previous alpha Jalal too beech beech mein hppy .

Thanks, Aunty.

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Post by Sam_0506 on 2014-05-16, 23:43

Aunty, for a minute when Jodha actually said all that I was shell shocked too.  hpee  And after reading your post I felt like I was on my way to become another Professor Trelawney.  Anyways, I wanted her to say all that puri shiddat se.  Clap 

I just loved the episode. But more than that I loved and loved your post today. Although your "Sunshine on the butterfly's wing" and "the road to camelot" are few of my most favorite ones of your posts, this too is really superb. How you have differentiated between Jodha 1 ( with bad case of mums, you'd said once) and Jodha 2 (with pretty pretty blush on her cheeks).   Clap 

Jalal's tentative offer to find tinaka in her eyes, her chance pe dance sorta grabbing of his hands, his sudden give in and taking her in a firm hug, her shy acceptance everything was just beautiful. Yesterday their hug was really much much better than that previous sorry excuse of an embrace.
Their forhead touch too was cute. But I kept on thinking Jodha's maang tika chubhne wala hai Jalal ko.  Twisted Evil 

Ruqaiyya was a sudden besuri taan. Aunty, why can't they get their rooms fiited with solid doors? Those lace curtains are purely decorative. For that matter, what if some errant sipahi decides to peek in to watch Shehenshah and his Beghum together, or a bandi walks in? OMG, the possibilities are endless.  Embarassed 

I wish the CV's keep on giving us such episodes. Your posts then are sheer delight to read. Eternal sunshine of my starry optimist mind then gets brighter and brighter.  long hug 

Love you Aunty. Thanks.

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Post by munnirony on 2014-05-17, 12:24

Aunty about the "pran" I have an analysis. Before marriage jodha has many misunderstandings about Jalal. As per jodha as well as rajvanshis Jalal is a jallad, a totally bad person. But after marriage her misconceptions started to clear off. Jalal started to prove her wrong in evry aspect nd after BB's case she was completely sure tht he isn't a bad person. Now she thought just like she had misconceptions about jalal his people also have sum misunderstandings about him so to remove it direct interaction with his awam was necessary. We cant forget tht many wrong things were happening in his name so if he interacts directly with the awam he can do sumthing for them nd the misunderstandings will be over. Yes for him his people were always his children but due to certain bad people under him his image was maligned. So maybe tht was her "pran".

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Post by sashashyam on 2014-05-17, 12:30


 

My dear Hena (have I got that right? If not, my apologies!),

Welcome to the gang! I am glad you are here, and if you do want to catch up on a couple of my previous Dhwani-only posts after mid-April, you can look up the list under sashashyam. I did 99 standalone posts in theIF and my centennial one when I moved here!

I will do a short on the latest episode later today. 

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sunshine-suncongratualtion Aunty for opening this thread  hpee 

great post ! looking forward to more :)
i want to know abt ur views on tonight epi  hpee

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Post by sashashyam on 2014-05-17, 12:33

That is a plausible reason, Munni, thank you for sharing it here. I only wish they had inserted an earlier scene about this resolve of hers, just as they showed Jodha defending Jalal in the Agra bazaar to the worshippers at the Ambe Maa mandir and later when she was on the road lugging that Kanha along.  Shyamala Auntymunnirony wrote:Aunty about the "pran" I have an analysis. Before marriage jodha has many misunderstandings about Jalal. As per jodha as well as rajvanshis Jalal is a jallad,  a totally bad person. But after marriage her misconceptions started to clear off. Jalal started to prove her wrong in evry aspect nd after BB's case she was completely sure tht he isn't a bad person. Now she thought just like she had misconceptions about jalal his people also have sum misunderstandings about him so to remove it direct interaction with his awam was necessary. We cant forget tht many wrong things were happening in his name so if he interacts directly with the awam he can do sumthing for them nd the misunderstandings will be over. Yes for him his people were always his children but due to certain bad people under him his image was maligned. So maybe tht was her "pran".

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Post by sashashyam on 2014-05-17, 12:37


Sam, my dear, you would be enough to set anyone's day up! Eternal sunshine of my starry optimist mind, indeed!Thank you!!

Now let us hope that Jodha 1 stays in that dark corner for keeps!


I am planning a short post on the Friday episode; Jalal was superb there, in every fleeting nuance. Now that is acting.

Shyamala Aunty


Sam_0506Aunty, for a minute when Jodha actually said all that I was shell shocked too.  hpee  And after reading your post I felt like I was on my way to become another Professor Trelawney.  Anyways, I wanted her to say all that puri shiddat se.  Clap 

I just loved the episode. But more than that I loved and loved your post today. Although your "Sunshine on the butterfly's wing" and "the road to camelot" are few of my most favorite ones of your posts, this too is really superb. How you have differentiated between Jodha 1 ( with bad case of mums, you'd said once) and Jodha 2 (with pretty pretty blush on her cheeks).   Clap 

Jalal's tentative offer to find tinaka in her eyes, her chance pe dance sorta grabbing of his hands, his sudden give in and taking her in a firm hug, her shy acceptance everything was just beautiful. Yesterday their hug was really much much better than that previous sorry excuse of an embrace.
Their forhead touch too was cute. But I kept on thinking Jodha's maang tika chubhne wala hai Jalal ko.  Twisted Evil 

Ruqaiyya was a sudden besuri taan. Aunty, why can't they get their rooms fiited with solid doors? Those lace curtains are purely decorative. For that matter, what if some errant sipahi decides to peek in to watch Shehenshah and his Beghum together, or a bandi walks in? OMG, the possibilities are endless.  Embarassed 

I wish the CV's keep on giving us such episodes. Your posts then are sheer delight to read. Eternal sunshine of my starry optimist mind then gets brighter and brighter.  long hug 

Love you Aunty. Thanks.

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Post by sashashyam on 2014-05-17, 12:40


I hope so too, my dearest Adiana, that Jodha 1 never  gets away from that dark corner! I do NOT want any part of her back!!

I agree 111% with you  about Paridhi, she is just so limited. I am planning  a brief post on the Friday episode, where the  gap showed so glaringly in the aarti scene.

Yes, Jodha 2 will let go of her fears and will also get to the faith stage, but she will not e able to convey it to us; we will have to take it on faith!! hpee 

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adianasrShyamala, Jodha is still not there, hope this Jodha 2 gets there at least - and though Paridhi's act as Jodha 2 / Kajri was an improvement - but I dont expect wonders from her - at least her competence is coming thru now - but then that is all she is - Competent - which is unfortunate for her since she is facing brilliance - in any other show with any other actor she would not have come croppers.

Anyway, I am hoping atleast now this Jodha 2 of yours has the ability to let go her fears!!!!

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Post by sashashyam on 2014-05-17, 12:49


Of course, my pet, and then there is the other factor, of Paridhi being such a limited actress. It showed so glaringly in the aarti scene last night.

I am planning a brief post on that episode, where Jalal was tops; there was  so much scope  for Rajat, especially in the scene with Ruqaiya. One has to rewind and watch them again and again.


Well, having mined the film as much as they could, they are now shifting to the  epics. No, for all the obvious symbolism of the positioning of the 2 paintings, Ruqaiya is not going to be a Duryodhana, who was splendid even in his insensate jealousy, insecurity and total lack of any moral restraints. Also, he was never silly.

What I hold against this Ruqaiya is how stupid she is. I am prepared to admire slick villainy, but not such asinine comments and moves which expose her so badly, and that too in front of Jodha. It is then left to Jalal to cover up for her. How can one believe that this woman ever had enough political savvy to advise Jalal? She now seems to have been dropped on her head.

Shyamala Aunty


sandhyaDear Aunty

Haven't been watching the episodes fully. The net is awfully slow here. Just a few scenes here and there and Tantya's written updates, which are more enjoyable than the weepy Jalal episodes that I saw last. Hope the recent ones are better.

Jodha 2 is a blessed relief though not as much as Kajiri or Jodha of Sunshine on Butterfly wings. Let us see how long it is before Jodha 1 resurfaces. Evil or Very Mad  Even if Jodha 1 is destroyed forever and Jodha 2 is a permanent resident, I would still feel that she is far short of our Jelly. As her responses are only a reaction to his goodness and understanding deep affection.

btw, ..........the script writers are churaofying from the ever-full Mahabharat............Duryodhan taking the seat next to Krishna's pillow and Arjun at Krishna's feet.

Moral of the story is that Ruqaiyya is certainly going to be made  the next Duryodhan of the story.

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Post by sashashyam on 2014-05-17, 12:54



 

My dear Gayatri,

It is good to see you here again.  Don't worry about the posts you have not responded to; just turn up whenever you can manage it.

I loved last night's episode for the scope it gave Rajat to endow his Jalal with so many little nuances of expression  that it was a sheer delight. I am planning to do a short post on that just for Jalal.

As for this Ruqaiya, as I have written above,
what I hold against her is how stupid she is. I am prepared to admire slick villainy, but not such asinine comments and moves which expose her so badly, and that too in front of Jodha. It is then left to Jalal to cover up for her. How can one believe that this woman ever had enough political savvy to advise Jalal? She now seems to have been dropped on her head.

Shyamala Aunty

ngayouHello Aunty,  good to see u r better now. Couldn't reply to ur last few posts bcos I had some travelling to do & missed a couple of epis. I decided to give them a miss after reading the written updates, but I definitely read all ur posts , Aunty. hpee 

I like ur split personality explanation for our Jodha begum a lot. Only way to explain her weird behaviour & her even worser memory when it comes to remembering Jalal s goodness. I forgave her when she finally decided to accept that she was the root cause for the recent MU & apologised to Jalal admitting it was her ego that stopped her till now. All the other accompanying words I tuned out.

Regarding the love quotient she has for Jalal, maybe we ll be shown her progress or this is all we might get, but as u say, if Jodha 2 remains, then I ll overlook her kamiyaan hpee .

Ruqs character seems to be ready for some major butchering, so now we ve to be ready for that. But as long as Jalal is balancing his relationship between these 2 begums am happy. 

Keeping fingers crossed that Jodha 2 s here to stay permanently & Jodha 1 is completely gone with the wind & maybe we ll get some more glimpses of our previous alpha Jalal too beech beech mein hppy .

Thanks, Aunty.

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Post by shiningways2407 on 2014-05-17, 14:23

Nice post aunty!
 So jodha 1 is left in amer n what we r seeing is jodha 2.
I always knes that she suffers from split personality n ur post proved that indeed I was right.
 Since jodha apologised for her msitakes I m able to tolerate her till the time jodha 1 doesnt come back. Because as of now the actress never convinced me through her skills as what she lacks gets easily visible when RT acts with her..

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