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Post by sashashyam on 2014-06-11, 17:51

Folks,

This one will be relatively  brief, as I have  a couple of teenage guests eyeing the laptop greedily, and I do not know how long I can hold them off! hpee  So this is going to be only about Rajat/Jalal, peripherally about Ruqaiya and Jodha, and in passing about Shehnaaz. Please bear with me if there is anything else that you would have wanted me to cover!

Let me start with last night’s precap. I could not quite understand what had set Jalal off on this track,  but that will surely be clarified tonight. But I was struck by one thing,  quite apart from what is going to hit him once the truth is out.  It was this.

Scotching the scandal?:Jalal does it all by himself, of course along with the unavoidable hakima. He does NOT bring in his counsellor  par excellence for all things under the sun, Salima Begum (or at least so I hope!) .

Which means that he does not want this to become a full blown scandal that will reverberate thru the harem, and then across Agra and the Mughal empire. For, as the culprit is his Begum-e-Khaas, any such scandal would surely  lower the prestige of the Mughal royal family as a whole. And even, in the future, call into question the legitimacy of Jalal’s eventual heir, for the gossips would argue  that Ruqaiya must have been planning to foist some baby or the other on Jalal  as the heir, and that others might also have  later followed her lead.

This, if I am correct, would then mean that though he would freeze Ruqaiya out of  his life as far as possible, he would not want to publicise the matter, and might have it hushed up as a miscarriage. The best, from Jalal’s point of view, would be for  no one, not even Hamida Banu and her coterie,  to know anything of the truth. The hakima would never dare open her mouth in any case.

This course of action would be in line with his behaviour during the (admittedly far less serious) moorti kaand.  Then, as you would remember, Jalal had torn a strip off Ruqaiya, but sttictly in private, and he did not let her be shamed publicly. It was the same when Salima intruded on Ruqaiya’s tearful apology after his break-up with Mahaam. He did not let Salima guess anything of what had gone wrong with Ruqaiya, for all that he accords her a lot of respect and trusts her in all things. 

Betrayal ++: This time around, however, the depth of the betrayal by Ruqaiya, and the depth of the hurt she has  inflicted on him, might make Jalal react far more  ferociously. After all, it is not only the destruction, for the present, of  his dream of  being called Abba Huzoor. Far  more corrosive would be  the loss of faith in a friend and companion of practically his whole life.

The two together might severely strain Jalal’s mental and emotional resources, and he might lash out like a wounded lion. But I hope not, and I confess that I would be greatly relieved if he is able to control himself, and the situation, with icy maturity.

It might be too much to expect that he would grasp, even if only dimly, that it was his excessive preoccupation with Jodha that has contributed  to Ruqaiya’s escalating insecurity. Or that he would understand that the second, and even more important contributory factor was his failure to get it across to her, gently and affectionately but firmly, that he loves Jodha,  and that Ruqaiya now has to adjust to this, given that her status, and her position in Jalal’s life will remain unchanged.

For it is  almost a given  that the CVs will, in due course,  give Jodha  the credit for persuading  the estranged Jalal to eventually forgive Ruqaiya.  For that to happen, he would now have to break off completely with Ruqaiya over her awful deceit in this matter.

Heartbreak ahead : Jalal once said that his life rested on  3 pillars: his Khan Baba, his Badiammi, and Ruqaiya Begum.  One has died, the other has betrayed him. If the third too should turn out to be a  disgraceful  cheat, Jalal would be shattered.  He would then have only one emotional  support left: Jodha, for I am sure he will take her into his confidence. He would not be able to cope with this one alone.

But the agony of Ruqaiya’s betrayal – so heartless in its folly, so uncaring of his jazbaat on such an ultra sensitive issue  - would still be there, eating away at his heart, and not even the comforting touch of the woman he loves would be able to heal that  wound.

Oh Ruqaiya, you benighted idiot, what have  you done ? Not only to yourself, but to Jalal?

The dreams of an Abba Huzoor: Last night,  even I,  a confirmed non-sentimentalist,  was moved to tears as  Jalal was swept away on a tide of emotion centred on the child who would call him Abba Huzoor. It was a superb rendition by Rajat, who handled that very difficult scene with a sure touch,  and the ability to let go without any holding back,  that must have touched the hardest of hearts.

Let us not underestimate what Rajat  accomplished last night.  It is not easy. In fact it is very hard to make a man, that too such a mighty emperor, seem utterly natural and moving  as he  weeps thinking of the joy his child will bring him, when he kneels in front of the mother-to-be and  talks to what he imagines is the baby he will soon hold in his arms, whose palna  he will soon rock.

It was terrible to watch  Jalal  luxuriating  in the  anticipation of the  greatest joy life could offer him. For one knew that all this was a cruel farce, that the bitter truth would  very soon poison his existence, like the hemlock of the ancient Greeks. But unlike their poison, mercifully lethal, this one would  leave him alive but wounded to the depths of his being.

In the precap, as Jalal sees the colour of the vomit (ugh.. are we never to be free of these varicoloured vomits?) , his face freezes in horror. What will he do next? 

Ruqaiya: She  finally realises, as she watches Jalal’s delight at the prospect of the child, watches his eyes fill with tears of joyous anticipation, watches his face as he talks to his child, the  cruelty, the stupidity, the thoughtlessness of what she has done to him. Her repentance,  which surfaces at long last,   is genuine, because it is for him, nor because she is now in a chakravyuh of the kind that defeated even Abhimanyu. But it is  too late.

As I wrote on my last thread, I simply cannot fathom  the kind of folly that made Ruqaiya go into this charade without an exit plan. She seems to have no notion of what to do even in the short term, and when Mahaam poses this very pertinent question, she is content to trust to her luck.  It was unbelievable!

And this is the woman who was said to be so sharp and intelligent that Jalal always consulted her about siyasati  matters, and in fact came all the way to Agra to seek her advice re: Amer? Maybe the real Ruqaiya went away with Smiley, leaving this idiotic, insensitive changeling in her place!

I generally have a mild soft corner for Ruqaiya, but not last night. I felt that she deserved  every bit of what would be coming to her, and if  I wanted Jalal to be mature in handling this affair, it was for him, not for her.

Jodha: There seems to  be nothing much to say about her last night: she was like a pre-programmed robot during the scene with Jalal and Ruqaiya, alternately smiling with delight and looking moved and astonished all at once. The only good thing was that unlike what happened during Jalal’s April 4 tirade, Jodha last night did not get her expressions mixed up and mis-timed!

It was the same when Jalal tried to make her his confidante and advisor re: Chand Begum. He is at a bit of a loose end about such family matters now,  and  seems to think it best to use Jodha as a totally trustworthy sounding board. But he draws a blank here, for she has no ideas to offer, and simply looks blankly at him ashe looks at the (admittedly substandard) portrait of Chand Begum.

Circumstantial errors: That scene was also an illustration of the perils in  interpreting circumstantial evidence. Because the attack on him (and Jodha) on the way from the mandir to the orphanage occurred soon after he set in motion a thorough search for Chand Begum, Jalal concludes that the two issues are linked. But of course  they are not.

The namaaz scene: Yes, yes, Jodha’s  performance during the namaaz scene. I am perfectly prepared to admit that when she asks him to teach  her about the Muslim form of prayer, Jodha looked, for once, completely convincing.  Her eyes lit up,  and when she adjusted her dupatta and brought out the prayer mat, she looked for all the world like an eager child looking forward to a special treat, while Jalal’s delight bubbled over in his radiant smile.

But the scene itself, sweet though it was, did not call for any great acting. It was only a series of vignettes of two very goodlooking  young people,  and they did not even bother to show Jalal teaching Jodha what she should recite during the namaaz and what it meant. It thus looked odd, to see her lips moving ceaselessly when she could not have known what to recite!

NB: Where on earth did Jalal find that white pagdi in Jodha’s rooms? One instant, as she is turning aside to find a mat, he is smiling and bare-headed. The next instant, when she is spreading out the mat, lo and behold, he is all togged out in the safed pagdi!
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The one place where I really liked Jodha  last night was when she was seeing off young Mansingh, togged out in what looked like an overturned saucepan on his head.  hpee 

I was pleasantly surprised that she told him to go ahead and do his duty to the Mughal sultanate,  and enhance his Rajvanshi reputation as well. I had been almost sure that she would deliver a bhashan to Jalal on the inviolability of the rule of sanctuary, and insist that the Rajvanshi Raja of Panna could thus not be expected to hand over a sharanaarti to the Mughals. Our Jodha Begum is a changing, folks!

Do biwiwale ki dastaan: The opening scene of the Monday episode, when  a raging Ruqaiya descends on Jalal-Jodha,   was a treat, and all because of Rajat’s  Jalal. I never fail to be taken by surprise by the boy’s sheer range, and in that segment, he was a marvel of minutiae.

First, when he catches sight of Ruqaiya, there was the expression of a kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar as Mummy  turns up unexpectedly in the kitchen hpee . Till then, he was happily nodding his head in comfortable acquiescence as his fount of wisdom, his Jodha Begum, was telling him exactly what to do when and why. But alas, it all comes suddenly to naught as the pocket size fury, his Begum-e-Khaas,  lands up.

As she berates Jodha and warns her off her, Ruqaiya’s turf, Jalal looks bewildered and at a loss as to what to do, exactly like every do biwiwala shauhar  is bound to be at some point of his beleaguered existence. It was utterly superb, the expressions chasing each other across his face.

Then he summons up all his resources of experience in handling Ruqaiya, and begins soothing her down,  reassuring her that he was not just all right but had never been at risk. And it begins well.

But then the gremlin  that trips up such  much married husbands surfaces, and Jalal starts babbling of Jodha Begum’s hunar as a warrior ( I do not know if Jalal was a zero in arithmetic as well, for nothing else can explain his insistence that Jodha had disabled 20 renegades, when one could not count more than a dozen in all, and Jalal had taken care of several of those! hpee ).

No one but a besotted fool  would have done what he does at this point, and actually believed that Ruqaiya would be pleased by his gushing encomiums to Jodha. Even between siblings, it is never wise to praise one child too much in front of the other, and these are soutens! 

But Jalal’s profile as he looks adoringly up at Jodha Begum,  was a tour de force for Rajat. I could not have imagined that a bare profile could be made so expressive! No wonder Ruqaiya, watching him, sees red and treats him to a prolonged sulk all the way to her rooms!

Once there, Jalal is back in full, familiar form with his bachpan ki dost. He is delightful as he coaxes her back into good humour, turning her to face him, cupping her face in his hands and questioning her, his face full of mischief, Khush hain ab? And as she finally smiles back, his face lights up with happy satisfaction.

It was a lovely little scene, lit up with what Mira Nair called old shoe love (between Naseeruddin Shah and Lilette Dubey in her Monsoon Wedding), the kind between a  miyan-biwi  who have spent years together and know everything there is to know each about the other. My heart ached when I thought of how short-lived this  old shoe love was doomed to  be.

Water splashed to no purpose!: That, folks, is almost it. I did not think very much of Jalal’s water-splashing scene, though Rajat’s  timing at the beginning was impeccable,  and made it look almost  like the old Jalal.

But when he started on how he would not tolerate any attack on his azeez,  it  began coming apart. What on earth did he mean, that it was ok, and pardonable, for someone to attack him with the intent to kill, because it is the common lot of a Shahenshah? But that capital punishment must be mandatory is even a katra of the blood of his azeez  (read Jodha Begum) was shed in the process ? Bizarre, and  made no sense at all. No  wonder Abul Mali survived, and thrived, on repeated assassination attempts against Jalal!

Shehnaaz: You have all said everything that needed to be said about the folly of Shehnaaz’s characterization, so I will desist from adding my two bits to the chorus. But what would you bet that Jodha will not only unmask this scatty female, but will also wean her away from her blind hatred of Jalal,  and instal her in the Agra palace as Bakshi Bano II?

It does sound a tad improbable given Shehnaaz’s imperial ambitions, but who knows? Jodha can always do with one more coat of gilt to her halo! hpee     

Two feet of separation :I had wanted to go into the all important issue of reservations in romantic scenes, but time presses,  and I shall have to keep that for my next. Never fear, the topic will not get out-dated in Jodha Akbar, not with our heroine,  with her penchant for body doubles and two feet of separation (not two metres? What a  pity! hpee ).

Shyamala/Aunty

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Re: Jodha Akbar 258-259: The death of a dream

Post by Greeshma014 on 2014-06-11, 18:43

Auntyyy....jhadoo ki jhappizz for u... I was waiting and waiting and waiting for ur post..superb!!! I'l add my comment later..

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Re: Jodha Akbar 258-259: The death of a dream

Post by sashashyam on 2014-06-11, 18:45



Thank you, darling! What you would I do without you kids? I could not do it any earlier because of our guests, and it was a minor miracle that I managed it at all, but your comment makes  all the hassle worthwhile! And my dear, it is surely  jadoo, and not jhadoo?  hpee  hpee 

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Greeshma014Auntyyy....jhadoo ki jhappizz for u... I was waiting and waiting and waiting for ur post..superb!!! I'l add my comment later..


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Post by shiningways2407 on 2014-06-11, 18:46

Nice post Aunty!!
I have simply one doubt 
regarding precap,
If jalal is testing Ruk on his
 own n precap is not any of
Ruks plan of coming out
of mess, then cant rukkaiya
easily come out of it
by saying '' hakima came to conclusion in hurry just like jo's fp case?''

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Post by sashashyam on 2014-06-11, 18:49

Well, Priyanka, it is surely not any plan of Ruqaiya's, and if he is doing it on his own and she cites the Jodha case, then they would also need a BB 2! Plus the idea of destroying Jodha's reputation would not work in Ruqaiya's case. Shyamala Auntyshiningways2407 wrote:Nice post Aunty!!
I have simply one doubt 
regarding precap,
If jalal is testing Ruk on his
 own n precap is not any of
Ruks plan of coming out
of mess, then cant rukkaiya
easily come out of it
by saying '' hakima came to conclusion in hurry just like jo's fp case?''

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Post by adianasr on 2014-06-11, 19:03

Thank you Shyamala. With no Zee here at hometown am surviving on WUs and your analysis!!!! Seems like Rajat is intent on keeping us glued to JA with his sheer brilliance!!!! How I hope and pray that he gets a graceful exit from JA with a simultaneous brilliant entry in films so that we can all say Goodbye to JA and enjoy his brilliance on the silver screen!!!!!!

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Post by Greeshma014 on 2014-06-11, 19:19

sashashyam wrote:


Thank you, darling! What you would I do without you kids? I could not do it any earlier because of our guests, and it was a minor miracle that I managed it at all, but your comment makes  all the hassle worthwhile! And my dear, it is surely  jadoo, and not jhadoo?  hpee  hpee 

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Greeshma014Auntyyy....jhadoo ki jhappizz for u... I was waiting and waiting and waiting for ur post..superb!!! I'l add my comment later..

Aunty, it's jadoo ki jappi only.. hpee .. long hug .sorry...now dis octopus hug too..

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Post by sashashyam on 2014-06-11, 20:06

Oh, dear, my dear Adiana, that must be tough, for no description, however detailed, can be the same as a visual, and certainly not when it comes to Rajat in full flow. I do not know if you managed to watch the Monday episode,  but he was brilliant as the do biwiwala!My mother was in  stitches looking at him, and commented caustically that he deserved it for saddling himself with these women!As for his moving on soon to films, what  can I say but AMEN?Shyamalaadianasr wrote:Thank you Shyamala. With no Zee here at hometown am surviving on WUs and your analysis!!!! Seems like Rajat is intent on keeping us glued to JA with his sheer brilliance!!!! How I hope and pray that he gets a graceful exit from JA with a simultaneous brilliant entry in films so that we can all say Goodbye to JA and enjoy his brilliance on the silver screen!!!!!!

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Post by adianasr on 2014-06-11, 20:45

I have yet to watch this weeks epis Shyamala, and I will do so in a marathon on Sunday once I am back in Delhi.

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Post by vinitaj27 on 2014-06-11, 20:50

Hello Shyamalaji,
How r u? I agree with u on the excellent way rajat has portrayed his character. I could feel the emotion a man who has longed for a child for so many years n lost many would feel on the crux of having is dream fulfilled. But after watching today's episode i felt let down by the way the unveiling of this lie was done. It was done too soon, no drama nothing. It seemed wierd that he king who was over the moon over his child n trusts his begum so much would suddenly start to doubt her just coz a hakim a said something. It would have been better had the mathura one was there and expressed concern over the child being of the right age to be ruqaiya's coz that would have been difficult for ruqqaiya to arrange in such a short time but it was all too easy too soon. It was almost like Khoda pahad Nikla chuha type situation n jalal whose dream is shattered so badly by the one he trusts the most will be over it by Friday to romance jodha. I mean why the hurry?

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Post by shiningways2407 on 2014-06-11, 21:01

@vinita I guess he was not 
doubting ruks but got confused
n shocked after hearing hakima's
word abt the damge caused
by ark.
At the end Hakima even said
that it can b chamtkaar as well.
So I guess intially he was
just confirming ,later on
he got suspicious on Ruk's hakim.
He was not a bit suspicious 
on Ruks.
N then came storm.

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Dearest Aunty,

Post by sunshin-sun on 2014-06-11, 21:06

Thanks Aunty for the pm n post  long hug

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Post by Greeshma014 on 2014-06-11, 21:25

Everything over...bye bye to FP track..someone posted dat Maham wil expose Ruk as per Zee operator..nothing happened like dat..My jalal used his brain..Atleast CVs give him credit of exposing his Best friend's FP..btw did Ruk knw dat she can't b a mother..??Even jalal came to know about it today..if not she is going to get biggest shocks of her life..Jalal wil distance himself and she wil remain childless in her rest of life..

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Post by Sam_0506 on 2014-06-11, 21:59

Aunty, I haven't been able to access forums much these past days. Hence missed your other masterpiece, mystery of missing  missives.. Just superb. Couldn't stop laughing. You take sarcasm in the region of art..  long hug 

This one was quite fun too.. And I read it post bhandafod today. So somehow I could enjoy it more..

Aunty, have you watched today's episode yet? Jalal's controlled rage was just the way you said. controlled, understated, icily cutting.. Hope he continues. Although I wouldn't mind a private break down in front of Jodha, I don't want him to make a spectacle of himself in front "Agra Royal Mahila Mandal". That would demean him.. I additionally don't want Ruqaiya to get scot-free this time with just a slap on the wrist. She needs to be punished. Not just because of this stupendous lie, but mainly because of betraying his trust. She as his bestie knew better than anybody else how much he longed to be a father (mind it not of boy only, he wanted to welcome even a girl equally eagerly). She used that tenderest spot, hit his rawest nerve. No matter her insecurities, her growing fear of losing Jalal, how can anybody hurt anybody this way??

Aunty, Jalal never said he loved her. The same way he didn't say she was less important than Jodha. So I don't get how and why Jalal should have justified his love to her. Of course, I haven't forgotten how he plotted against Jodha initially making Ruqaiya his favorite accomplice. And there he could have explained her how he no longer wanted to hurt Jodha. But does he need to justify or even explain his love to anybody?

This week seems to be action packed. Hope that gives you enough material for such fantastic posts..  hpee

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Post by Greeshma014 on 2014-06-11, 22:53

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Re: Jodha Akbar 258-259: The death of a dream

Post by sashashyam on 2014-06-11, 23:53

I agree with you about the revelation episode, Vinita, though much was as I had anticipated. I will write a more detailed mini-analysis on this thread itself tomorrow morning. Shyamalavinitaj27 wrote:Hello Shyamalaji,
How r u? I agree with u on the excellent way rajat has portrayed his character. I could feel the emotion a man who has longed for a child for so many years n lost many would feel on the crux of having is dream fulfilled. But after watching today's episode i felt let down by the way the unveiling of this lie was done. It was done too soon, no drama nothing. It seemed wierd that he king who was over the moon over his child n trusts his begum so much would suddenly start to doubt her just coz a hakim a said something. It would have been better had the mathura one was there and expressed concern over the child being of the right age to be ruqaiya's coz that would have been difficult for ruqqaiya to arrange in such a short time but it was all too easy too soon. It was almost like Khoda pahad Nikla chuha type situation n jalal whose dream is shattered so badly by the one he trusts the most will be over it by Friday to romance jodha. I mean why the hurry?

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Post by smile.sara on 2014-06-12, 00:15

hi all ..!!
didn't watch epi ... nor I mind proper class of ruku in private..

BUT ... A BIG BUT...

why every one should punish except jodha and her dear ones...

if we go some days back...what was exactly jalal doing.... playing with ruku emotion very insensitively .... he was in love doesn't mean to ignore and demean his life long friend ad first wife who is with him from their child hood...

I always said in these type turmoil from which ruku was suffering

3 things happen

to plot evil and do  harm physically to others in utter desperation
do follies n utter frustration
or
harm them selves in utter depression

.............................

ruku didn't harm physically to any one but at the night of ja jo first anniversary and the big jashan for no reason like empire had got her heir not the one weddings anniversary of emperor from his many wedding....
ruku was extremely frustrated and fumed tht she blbbered ....that jalal should punish ...


ohk we can say she has no feeling of motherhood.(although its strange to plot for a woman who lost her unborn child not less than before ayear) but assume krne mae kia jata hae
 
now jodha is most important for him

then to be a father, from which emotion ruku played brutally

but what was important for ruku

Jalal ....only jalal ....and his time , her importance in his life....


in his no love phase for jodha ...hardly there was single episode where JJ didn't meet but ruku had her own importance ....but now what exactly was he doing before this FP folly of rukku .... it was like ruku doesn't exist in his life..it was eating her like deemak (termite) or making her juwala...


off course she is not heroin ...so CV didn't show her praying to god to get back her husband attention in her lonely life or grace her with proper face down lines to shake her husband cum friend some out from his pyar ka nasha 

and here we are
         with disgraced ruku, heart broken jalal, and again Mahan jodha with her Mahan shoulder...although this shoulder was not availale at time of maham but to make difference btw ruku n jodha ...now her Mahan kandha is here to soak his royal tears

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Re: Jodha Akbar 258-259: The death of a dream

Post by Jaz713 on 2014-06-12, 06:33

long hug 

Aunty, I've been so bored lately that not even Rajat could pull me back; hence, I haven't watched the last two episodes. But your reviews are always so balanced and excellently written (something sorely lacking on both forums these days) that I can't resist commenting.

I was not looking forward to Ruqaiya being exposed because I feel almost embarrassed for her; the Begum-e-Khaas had to do something as pathetic as that to feel secure in Jalal's eyes and unfortunately, she ended up hurting both herself and the one she loves in the process.

Please do discuss the "Two Feet of Separation" in your next post Aunty - I am at my wit's end about this! This 19 year-old girl wouldn't hesitate to give Rajat a tight hug and here Jodha looks so awkward hugging the man she loves!

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Re: Jodha Akbar 258-259: The death of a dream

Post by sashashyam on 2014-06-12, 08:12

My dearest young ladies,


I will try and respond to these comments in my next, for my take on the revelation episode of last night is quite different from the gushing encomiums spread across the  forums. Maybe I will write a small analysis today.

I wonder which part of Jalal's anatomy Shehnaaz punctured with her spinning khanjar!

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Re: Jodha Akbar 258-259: The death of a dream

Post by mishti on 2014-06-12, 10:28

Thanks for the PM Aunty. 

@ Jalal talking to the baby in womb of Ruqaiya...I admit it was emotional, beautiful scene.....but I was laughing mad then, may be people think me to be cold...but I can't help it...and yes, people would have mocked at the foolishness of the Emperor the great taken for a ride by his chief Begum.

So apt title...it really is Death of a Dream..am still reeling under the shock of last night episode...it was so sudden a revelation...it was like death creeping in when the festivities and happiness are at its peak....and struck Jalal like a bolt out of blue...slowly the magnanimity of betrayal is just beginning to sink in Jalal...and yes, he was icy cold....just as I would have liked him to be....and he was a deeply wounded, menacing tiger...you can see it in his expressions...I was cold, even after knowing as a viewer that this is FP, just thinking of its after effects and reaction of Jalal....and must say its a rare for me to react to a show or scene like it has happen in real.
I will not say a word for RT..coz that wouldn't be justified.

I am reading people are saying that Ruqaiya jealousy, insecurity is not only her doing but Jalal is equally a culprit. May be, just may be...though I don't believe...not because he's my favourite...but because Ruqaiya for Jalal was his friend and never a beloved, she always held an important and special, different place in his life....and he reiterated this to Jodha as well....and to Ruqaiya too....In the first meeting itself, when we first saw their scene, Jalal had then and there declared, with Ruqaiya in nodding that, "hum ek achche shauhar aur begum se zyada,hum dono bahot achche dost hain"...and we the viewers knew the dynamics we'll see between them. 
Yes, when Jalal found his soulmate in Jodha, his behavior will be different from what he's with Ruqaiya...that doesn't mean she'd lost importance or was ignored and sidelined....Even after Jodha and their love confession...she was equally there in his life...otherwise how on earth Ruqaiya got pregnant  Shocked It means he was spending time with her, was not celibate, etc..etc..It was her perception, wrt her realtion ship with Jalal that filled in the fear of her being like one of other Begums in harem, whom she'd always kept under her heels...so, in a sense, she never understood Jalal for the kind of person he is, didn't have trust in her friendship with her best friend Jalal, that no matter what he will never leave her...so was all these years their relation was merely a mirage...till a mirror didn't come in front of them?Because friends or relations...its strength is tested and seen in trying times.


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Re: Jodha Akbar 258-259: The death of a dream

Post by Greeshma014 on 2014-06-12, 10:30

Aunty,
yes, yes our jalal found about FP without the help of his gyani begums or MA..I'm very happy..Atleast we got a proof dat his brain is in working condition..i don't knw abt his furthur plans in Ruk's case..ofcourse it's 100% sure dat he is not going to forgive her soon..i'm not sure about public insult part..what explanation he give to whole palace,especially his ammi jaan..i think the truth wil revealed in front of everyone in Agra palace
About Ruk, now she knws dat she went too far..but no use..damage is already done..She betrayed her Best friend cum husband very badly by a stupid plan with no head and tail..she diserves punishment..This separation wil make her realise what she lost..If jalal forgives her(I knw he won't) dis time, she 'l cum with another stupid plan..so it's better dis ends here..
He lost his third pillar too..his "gatti"..while watching d ending scene yesterday , I remembered very first RukLal scene.chess play and bedroom scene..From where it started ,and wher it's now..I'm going to miss their cute miyan-biwi talk..But this separation is much needed, especially for Ruk..I want Old Rukayya back..not dis screaching ,plotting one..

And jalal talking to his baby was the highlight of tuesday's episode..Rajat was brilliant in dat scene..When jalal's eyes got filled ,same time mine too..When he cried buckets in d sujamal track, I was least bothered..There is no need to cry buckets and give bhashans to make an effect on audiance..A simple scene with less dialogues and perfect emotions and expressions can touch viewer's heart..And our Rajat is capable of doing dat..He proved the same in yesterday's episode too..

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Re: Jodha Akbar 258-259: The death of a dream

Post by munnirony on 2014-06-12, 11:05

well honestly i neither care about jodha nor care about ruku. i just care about rajat & his wonderful performance. for me jalal had done enough for both of them & he cares for both. when we r in a new relationship we always give more time towards tht new relationship but tht doesnt mean he had forgotten the old relationships. jalal's fault is he had pampered ruku a lot, but thts jalal for u, he always pampers those people he love. he had protected ruku in the murti kand & also in the sujamal issue. yes no doubt he was spending more time with jodha, but he was never insensitive towards ruku. unfortunately, both jodha fans & ruku fans always blame jalal, even if they r wrong, but we should also try to understand his point of view. noone is perfect & jalal also has flaws but we shouldnt try to justify others faults & blame jalal for evrything.

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Re: Jodha Akbar 258-259: The death of a dream

Post by sashashyam on 2014-06-12, 12:07


But you see, Munni, that is what fans always do. They can never see anything wrong in their aaradhya, as Sandhya puts it so well, and so the fault has to place somewhere else, ie on the only available scapegoat, Jalal.
Now, I shall try and write a bit more, in my post about the last night's episode,  about what Jalal did not do that he should have, but the core of it is what you have correctly identified as Jalal's main failing, he pampers his azeez too much, and this includes Jodha.

As for Ruqaiya, Hamida is equally  to blame. See how both the girls she raised - Ruqaiya and Bakshi Banu - have  turned out! I shudder to think what  a child with the genes of Bakshi Banu and Sharifuddin would turn out to be!
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munnironywell honestly i neither care about jodha nor care about ruku. i just care about rajat & his wonderful performance. for me jalal had done enough for both of them & he cares for both. when we r in a new relationship we always give more time towards tht new relationship but tht doesnt mean he had forgotten the old relationships. jalal's fault is he had pampered ruku a lot, but thts jalal for u, he always pampers those people he love. he had protected ruku in the murti kand & also in the sujamal issue. yes no doubt he was spending more time with jodha, but he was never insensitive towards ruku. unfortunately, both jodha fans & ruku fans always blame jalal, even if they r wrong, but we should also try to understand his point of view. noone is perfect & jalal also has flaws but we shouldnt try to justify others faults & blame jalal for evrything.

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Re: Jodha Akbar 258-259: The death of a dream

Post by sashashyam on 2014-06-12, 12:19


I hope he does not do that, Greeshma, for it would be very damaging for the reputation of the imperial family and then people would gossip even about Jodha's pregnancy. If he wants to hush it up, he can say she lost the child when she slipped and fell in her hoojra. Who will question his word?
Now as for the second part in bold, I think Rajat  should have done the revelation scene differently. When he does raw anger nowadays, he scrunches up his nose till it looks like a misshapen potato, and the handsome face gets distorted. He should not do such OTT stuff. Instead, he should use the style he had in the beginning, the face undisturbed, but very menacing. The mirthless grins with the lips drawn back from the teeth but the eyes sneering with icy coldness.

That would have put the fear of God into Ruqaiya.He seems to have forgotten how to do that.
Plus the precap outburst was so predictable. There is only anger of the OTT kind, with Jodha Begums all over, two in one sentence. Ruqaiya Begum ne dhokha diya tha Jodha BegumEmbarassed  it would have been far more effective if he had sat down somewhere and collapsed within himself, and Jodha had come to ask him what was wrong.
Anyhow, I saw the new promo,and I hope Shehnaaz's spinning khanjar hits Jalal at the back of his neck and gingers up his grey cells!
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Greeshma014Aunty,
yes, yes our jalal found about FP without the help of his gyani begums or MA..I'm very happy..Atleast we got a proof dat his brain is in working condition..i don't knw abt his furthur plans in Ruk's case..ofcourse it's 100% sure dat he is not going to forgive her soon..i'm not sure about public insult part..what explanation he give to whole palace,especially his ammi jaan..i think the truth wil revealed in front of everyone in Agra palace
About Ruk, now she knws dat she went too far..but no use..damage is already done..She betrayed her Best friend cum husband very badly by a stupid plan with no head and tail..she diserves punishment..This separation wil make her realise what she lost..If jalal forgives her(I knw he won't) dis time, she 'l cum with another stupid plan..so it's better dis ends here..
He lost his third pillar too..his "gatti"..while watching d ending scene yesterday , I remembered very first RukLal scene.chess play and bedroom scene..From where it started ,and wher it's now..I'm going to miss their cute miyan-biwi talk..But this separation is much needed, especially for Ruk..I want Old Rukayya back..not dis screaching ,plotting one..

And jalal talking to his baby was the highlight of tuesday's episode..Rajat was brilliant in dat scene..When jalal's eyes got filled ,same time mine too..When he cried buckets in d sujamal track, I was least bothered..There is no need to cry buckets and give bhashans to make an effect on audiance..A simple scene with less dialogues and perfect emotions and expressions can touch viewer's heart..And our Rajat is capable of doing dat..He proved the same in yesterday's episode too..

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Re: Jodha Akbar 258-259: The death of a dream

Post by shiningways2407 on 2014-06-12, 12:24

I dont understand y ppl (of IF)
expect a tight slap from jalal.
 Jab jodha ko dhakka diya
to domestic violence n now they
want a tight slap.
@aunty n munni 
I seriously believe that for
ruks OTT follies 5 -10% 
jalal's (ekta's jalal) OTT pampering is
responsible, N 90-95%
 Ruks' stupid brain n immature brain.
N Hamida is also responsible.
I dont know in what sense 
she treats ruks as her daughter.

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