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Post by sashashyam on 2014-08-28, 16:38

Folks,
Last night's  episode belonged entirely to Rajat's Jalal.
The  scene  that stayed with me was the very  last shot of Jalal's frozen  face as he looks after  a fainting Mahaam Anga who is being led away.  There is blood all over,  on his forehead, his right cheek, his   nose, his chin, his neck, and  lines of blood down the left cheek as well. Framed by all this blood, the narrowed, slit-like eyes, under the grim, lowered  brows, look  sombre and  expressionless, their tragedy,  and that of the dropping mouth,  heightened by the red all around them. They are not cold, nor angry, nor grieving.  The molten rage of  a little while ago seems to have become congealed in those eyes, which  appear to be looking inwards into some private hell to which he has consigned himself.
As Rajat holds that expression for a long, long shot while  the camera zooms in, not a muscle in that face moves for nearly  a minute.  It was a marvelous display of what happens when both rage and grief have crossed  the limits of  human endurance.
Nemesis for Jalal tooNemesis is the Greek goddess of  retribution to mortals for their sins, and last night she finally caught up, no, not just with Adham Khan, the obvious candidate, but with Jalal as   well. Before you start protesting,  let me explain why. 
It  is Jalal's lifelong folly in pardoning his near and dear, or, in Adham's case, not so dear ones for even unpardonable acts - even now he would  have spared Adham's life  for the attack on the Shahenshah if he had not murdered Atgah -  and his unfailing and excessive sense of gratitude to Mahaam Anga for the doodh ka karz ( one wonders  whether all wet nurses, who  were quite common in those days,  wer similarly blessed!)  that have brought matters to this pass.
On top of that is his  grievous error of judgment in letting Adham rant at him publicly in the Diwan-e-Khas and  still get off scot free. For Jalal does  this not only because he  understands  Adham's fury at his mother's arrest, and also  his lifelong  sense of deprivation of his mother's love, but also because he believes that usme itna dimaag nahin hai ki wo koyo saazish kar sake.  So, he is confident that Wo kuch galat nahin karega.  
Jalal could not have been more wrong, and  his disastrous disregarding of Todar Mal's and Atgah Khan's  warning  re: Adham Khan  is the major reason for Atgah's murder.  If you let a venomous snake go free  and it  bites someone, the fault is more yours than the snake's. This galti  will be something that will haunt Jalal for the rest of his life. For the gravity of a fault, or a mistake, lies very largely in the gravity of its consequences.
This said, as far as Rajat's Jalal went, his face,  as he talked of how Adham had been deprived of his childhood and his mother's love because of him,  was an eloquent  study in barely suppressed regret, and the voice was husky with emotion. Afsos to is baat ki hai ki in sab baaton ka karz hum is tarah chukha rahe hain.. And as he ended with Diwan-e-Khas barkhast! , there was a little upward shake of the head that, with the eyes that seemed to be looking  back to the past,  was incredibly touching.
Molten rage:So when Jalal is now faced with this horrible tragedy that is largely of  his own making,  both  his grief and his rage are  stoked not only by Adham's monstrous crimes,  but also by the unspoken realization that  it is he, the Shahenshah, who has failed his ataliq, the man who, all his life,  stood by him and behind him as none other.
When Imad Khan first informs him of  Atgah having been murdered,  Jalal's face freezes in horrified shock before grief takes over. And when Adham boasts of the same killing, his eyes and face dissolve  for an instant into helpless grief,  like that of a baby about to cry.
But grief soon gives way to a molten rage  which spews forth from Jalal's innermost being like lava from a  volcano. The cold menace in his voice as he tells Todar Mal Hum teekh hain, lekin yeh ab teekh nahin rahega..  and proceeds to drag Adham away,  is matched only by the suppressed fury with which he pronounces Adham's sentence.
By the icy venom with which he says Adham, mere bhai..  before literally kicking him off the parapet. 
By  his immovable  determination to  make Adham pay for all his sins, and not just for the latest one, before he is allowed to die at last. 
By the raw rage in his eyes as he commands  Is bar isi sar ke bal phenko!  By the grim satisfaction with which he looks down at  Adham,  eyes wide open  in death and face mottled with blood.
By the way in which he lifts the huge Adham, staggering a little as he regains his balance, and declares  Hum sab ko dikayenge ki hamare azeezon ko  nuksan pahunchanewalon ka kya hasher hota hai!  
By the way  in which he declares, still holding Adham's body aloft,  to the assembled multitude (where did all these folks  - largely CGI constructs, one presumes! - come from all of a sudden? In historical reality, no one outside the fort knew what had happened for over a day and a half) Aaj is beraham qatil ki maut se Shahenshah Jalaluddin Muhammad Akbar aap sab ko ek tohfa deta hai. Aur  deta hai ek paigham, ki iski maut se ek misaal kayam hogi, ki humse gaddari karnewalon ka hashar kya hota hai..
After he hurls  Adham's corpse  from the battlements down  before the crowd,  Jalal's blood-streaked face is like  that of a grim statue of   vengeance. A statue of an ancient deity who has finally  meted out just  and long overdue punishment for evil, and is satisfied at last.  
Hidden self-condemnation: For  Jalal is  as if possessed, not just by fury at Adham's crimes, and by  the unbearable grief at having lost  a father figure,   but probably also  by fury at himself.
Fury at his having been so lenient with Adham  for so long that  he had become  emboldened beyond all limits. Fury at having this stoked his overweening arrogance, and his confidence that he could get away with anything, just as he had done in the past, of which  the latest outrages were   but the inevitable product.
It is perhaps this  consciousness of his own mistakes in the past having  led to this calamity, that leads  Jalal to justify Adham's execution  to his  awaam, and that too at such length.  Otherwise,  it is very difficult to understand why an emperor, having  executed a criminal for murder,  should  bother to explain anything about it to anyone.  (It was not as though he was  in the habit of  explaining  every execution, including Todar Mal's, to the public!)
Much less  declare, almost defensively, that even if  he was condemned  in the future for  this as a beharam qatil  of his  doodh bhai, he did not care.  Humein koyi farak nahin padta, kyonki ek badshah apne gaddaron ke saath aisa hi salook karta hai..Aaj hum ise maaf kar dete, to hum apne apnon, apni awaam, apna zameeer aur apni zimmedaariyon ke saame gir jaate..Hum khudh ko  kabhi maaf nahin kar paate..Isliye humne use maut di...
 Now the long lost Badiammi resurfaces unexpectedly.  Ab chahe hum zindagi bhar apni Badimmi se nazar nahin mila payein.. Ab chahe humein zindagi bhar badnaami aur rusvaayi ki kaalikh apne muh par potni  padi, hum in sab baton ke liye tayyar hain..
What on earth was all that? None of this needed to be said at all.  Jalal is the Shahenshah, whose word is law. Besides, the  Mughal law too  prescribes  the death punishment for murder..  Jaan ke badle jaan, yahi Mughal kanoon hai..  Then there is also the gunaah-e-azeem for trying to assassinate the Shahenshah.  That Adham  was the Shahenshah's  doodh bhai should not have counted at all. The death penalty was automatic.
So why then does Jalal  go into all these totally unnecessary justifications? They would have been needed  if he had let Adham off, not when he has had him duly executed.  In fact, the crowds would have sung his praises for his impartial justice, regardless of the person involved.
And  who in that crowd would  have cared a hoot if Adham had been thrown down a hundred times instead of four? No one. Medieval punishments were often far more cruel.  People were burnt alive, or walled in, or flayed alive.  It was common for the prisoner's head to be knocked off by an elephant. In Europe in that age,  condemned criminals were drawn and quartered, ie, their legs and  arms were tied each to one of four horses, which  were then made to  gallop, thus pulling the  body apart into 4 pieces. Men and women were broken on the rack and the wheel, and there were even worse kinds of torture. The  population  often watched these horrors as public spectacles.  
So, I totally failed to comprehend why Jalal was indulging  in all this extended , OTT justification,   and the above is the only halfway satisfactory explanation I could come  up with.  That, and the other, self-evident one that deep inside  Jalal, the reluctance to punish a person long close to him is so overpowering that it even overcomes his stated determination to never see Mahaam again,  and to no longer call her   his Badiammi.
The  execution of Adham in the film was  much more  controlled and simple, and thus elegant.  Here, it was only Rajat's  overpowering performance that compensated for the unnecessarily extended and hyper  scene of the Shahenshah addressing his  awaam,  holding a corpse aloft like Hercules.
Maybe they also wanted to highlight the (historically true)   point that Akbar was physically very strong.  So, it would seen, is Rajat!
Mahaam: never say dieAshwini's Mahaam, hoping against hope to save her son's life,  was the other bravura performance last night, and though not on par with Rajat's Jalal, it was also very impressive. For  one thing,  Ashwini has never before got the chance to play Mahaam quite like this.
Initially, there is the shock at what she takes to be the confirmation of her worst fears, the ones triggered by the bloody apparition of a young Jalal that she sees in her cell, in a kind of spooky premonition.  She asks Jalal again and again if he is hurt, and then goes on to detail her anxiety about Adham trying to harm   him.
When she is told, by a sombre Jalal who looks levelly at her with stony eyes,  that Adham had committed a sangeen jurm  and had been punished for it,  Mahaam deliberately chooses to  cling to the idea that her son has been only  beaten badly for his crime, and perhaps jailed,   but nothing  more. She even makes an extraordinary statement: Adham qaid me rahenge to aap mehfoos rahenge aur wo zinda!
As she goes  back in time to detail the roots of Adham's jealousy and  insane competitiveness vis a vis Jalal,  It is fascinating to watch her trying to exculpate a bewakoof  Adham who had begum committing these kartoots only out of  his foolish rashq  of Jalal. Her face works overtime as she  makes a desperate effort at hilarity about this:  Aap Shahenshan hain aur wo bandi ka beta. Aapse rashq! Bewakoof!!  
When she learns that her son has in fact murdered Atgah Khan, cold fear surfaces, but  she has still not given  up. Cleverly seeking to  exploit Jalal's  kindness towards Javeda, she seeks clemency for Adham  not for her sake,  but for Javeda's, mar jaayegi wo Adham ko kuch hogaya to.. In an emotional overdrive, she then offers to bear  any punishment in his place, adding that her sansein  are still there only because of Adham (there seems to  be some obsession with this saansein angle in this show; first it was Jodha during the  mirchi war track, then Jalal after the Atifa track, and now  Mahaam!) .
As she continues her desperate pleading :  Maaf kar dijiye.. use baksh dijiye..it is as if the wall he had erected between them has crumbled, for Jalal hugs Mahaam , and continues to hold her close till she spots Javeda in widow's whites.
The shot of Mahaam's eyes as she takes in this confirmation that her son is no more was marvellous - they were wide and uncomprehending to begin with, but as the truth sank in,  they clouded over with sudden grief and despair. She moves out  of Jalal's embrace and puts out her finger to touch the blood on his neck, blood that she now  knows is her son's, before she faints.
All in all,  a very different and praiseworthy take on Mahaam by Ashwini.
Jodha: standard issue:  I did not expect anything much from Jodha, but for the life of me I could not  understand why, if the proceedings were so shocking and distasteful, she and Hamida  continued to stand there like a couple of Romans at the Colosseum in the  days of the Emperor Nero. Why did they not retire, once Hamida had, with  rare good sense, stopped Jodha from entering the fray to check Jalal from  doing anything kroor?  Instead, they stayed put till the very end, flinching artistically and turning away their heads  every time Adham was thrown down again.
In the precap, when Jalal comes  stumbling into her room seeking solace (why the chap does not clean himself up before going there is a mystery. And surely his priority at this point should have been Atgah's family, not Jodha?)  far from trying to understand the hell that her husband has gone thru with  the loss of Atgah, Jodha treats  him to  a display  of horrified disdain. The way she is standing, as far from him as possible   and with her hands pressed protectively to her stomach,  one can be sure that a bhashan  on how she is determined to keep her children safe from the influence of such a kroor pita  is in the works. That is another reason, besides Rajat's superlative take on Jalal,  why I posted this today itself, before I am exasperated beyond bearing by what is to come tonight.
I was also amused to hear Jodha's rooh   complaining about how people talk even today of Shahenshah Jalaluddin being kroor  for the way in which Adham Khan was executed. While Jalal's   rooh  brushes the matter aside as necessary to set an example to the awaam,  I was thinking more of the Chittor massacre of 1568, where Akbar had over 40,000 of the defenders of the fort killed after the fort had fallen, to set an example (and a successful one,  witness the early surrender of Ranthambhor)  to other recalcitrant enemies.
If Jodha is so  upset with her patidev's kroorta  towards a  certified traitor and criminal like Adham, how would she have reacted to Akbar's really wanton display of cruelty at Chittor? By any odds, she should have burst several blood vessels and retreated to Amer for life.  I somehow doubt if Ekta is going to touch on the fall of Chittor!
Questions of the day:  1) How is is that while Salima. Hamida and all the rest are clucking their tongues and grieving for Javeda, no one seems to have a thought to spare for Jijianga,  whose husband had, to his last breath, striven to protect Jalal and his takht?  It looked almost as if they were all  mourning the passing of Adham Khan, but were not particularly concerned about Atgah Khan. And this when Jijianga is one of Hamida's close coterie!
2) Where did  they  get that white ensemble for Javeda at such short notice, that too with a glowing zari border? Maybe they keep   set s of whites ready for all eventualities, but this one fit her perfectly! But no whites for Jijianga?
Seriously,  that was so typically and stupidly filmy, the instant widow's weeds. And I  had thought that there was no such custom among Muslims in that age. Hamida, for one, does not wear white, does she? Nor does Chand Begum.

3) How come the amount of blood on Jalal's face keeps changing all the time? After Adham is dead and Jalal is looking down at him from the terrace, there is next to nothing. As he gets to the garden, before he lifts Adham, there is already  a lot. How come? And in front of the awaam, his face has blood all over except the nose. When he gets to Mahaam, it is there even on the nose! And in the precap, he is practically dripping blood!

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Re: Jodha Akbar 314-316: Nemesis

Post by adianasr on 2014-08-28, 17:32

What an episode it was Shayamala - in fact what a build up for last night !!!! - I am still numb !!!! And what class act and what brilliant direction of the last scene !!!!!!

Let me start with Rajat - I have no more adjectives and superlatives left - and today he has gone beyond all of it - I was waiting for your take on him in last night's epi !!!!

Next is Ashwini - this is definitely Ashwini's best so far!!!!

And last Chetan - He made us all feel bad for the bad guy - what better testimony to his ability than this!!!!!

Coming to the epi last night, in that last scene of MA and Jalal, when Jalal takes MA into his embrace - what struck me was how this man has given his shoulder for all to lean on never asking for a similar succor - was he ever allowed to be a child - was he ever allowed to feel afraid - was he ever allowed to express insecurity - could he ever let himself feel dejected - This man gave of himself to all who asked and never expected anyone to do the same for him?!?!?!?!

yes one day Jodha will do for him what he does for her and all the others - but that day is not today - she still has not understood the ramifications of what AK's pardon would have on the Loyalists and the Separatists - She is still in some Shanghri - la where she thinks all mistakes can be pardoned and everyone would appreciate it and praise it - she does not realise that loyalty like Atgha's also demands a similar loyalty from the Emperor  

Jodha's reaction to Akbar's punishment for AK was - hum unhe yeh kroorta nahin karne de sakte - Kroorta ???????
As I said, she has no understanding of the ramifications of AK's pardon or even if AK was given an easy death - here what mattered was that loyalists were given the msg that their loyalty would always be treasured and anyone harming them for being loyal would have a death as bad or even worse than AK's - this was not about AK - this was about treasuring the kind of loyalty that Atgha had shown - that kind that is rarer than the rarest gem

Jodha does not even understand the ramifications of pardoning AK after the killing of Atgha - No one - No one would have any faith in the Mughal justice if the killer of Atgha was not given capital punishment - and no one would want to be so loyal to the Emperor as to put his own life on line if AK was not killed by the Emperor immediately - this was not just about an eye for an eye - it was the msg that needed to get across to both the loyalists and the separatists - that anyone who touched loyalists like Atgha actually had touched the Emperor and would be punished immediately and there would be no leniency - this is the 16th century but even today the kind of loyalty that Atgha showed would evoke the same response as it did then from Akbar.

Akbar had to choose between 2 evils - and he chose the lesser one - Mishti was absolutely rt. - ppl only judge the final act they do not see the choices !!!!

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Re: Jodha Akbar 314-316: Nemesis

Post by munnirony on 2014-08-28, 17:38

aunty, i think the explanation to the awaam was more for himself than for others. his guilt was killing him & also his "dooh ka karz" had stopped him evrytime to take sum serious step. this guilt was killing him. & thus he needed to burst out. also it was a warning for evryone tht next time he wont spare any adham khan due to any "dooh ka karz".

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Re: Jodha Akbar 314-316: Nemesis

Post by rpeez on 2014-08-28, 19:10

Brilliant post aunty! 

Jalaal's anger was truly more with himself than Adham. And how beautifully portrayed by RT! There was nothing but determeination in his eyes when he fought Adham. And even during the fight he was overwhelmed with his emotion, and there were moments when Adham had an advantage over him. To me and angel of death if there was ever one, would look like Jalaal yesterday.

Now my real annoyance is with Jodha. She expects superhuman understanding of her own actions, but is judgmental when it comes to those around her. Historically, Jodhabai would be shocked as in the movie, and she wasn't pregnant at that time, as this happened I think within six months of their marriage. But like Shraddha said in Divya's thread, it's the bane of Indian TV series, that the heroine has to be omnipresent, so we had a Jodha standing with her eyes so wide open, that curious souls could measure the radius of her pupil.  Rolling Eyes 

And yes, how could one expect her to empathise? But, that shrinking away from him was pure idiocy. But, if I have learnt anything from the serial, it will be Jalaal who will "wash away" her fears and in a "loving embrace" reassure that the precious "dil" she had found for him, was very much there, with a worried Jodha trying to squeeze herself away from his grasp so that her dress doesn't get soiled with all that blood and 3-4 liters of tear that Jalaal will produce. Grrrrr!

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Re: Jodha Akbar 314-316: Nemesis

Post by sandhya on 2014-08-28, 23:39

Aunty
I knew it that you WILL do a post on yesterday's episode.

Rajat was larger than life. He dominated every frame till Ashwini almost equalled him in the final scene.

Krishna tells Karna during Karna's final talk that Bheeshma dronacharya and Karna  are more responsible for the war than Duryodhan himself. The inaction of the good can do more damage than the action of the bad. How true it is in Jalal's case. His inaction, his leniency to his family, his overlooking the evil of his doodh-brother, his failure as a king to render justice has cost him dear. HE is more responsible for the death of one of the most loyal minister of the Sultanate than Adham Khan. It is this guilt and anger that was eating him from within. His rage was more at himself than Adham. He knew MA and Adham's evils. He knew that MA was responsible for BK's death. He knew that AK was responsible for the loots, murders and bad name for the empire at Malwa. Yet he allowed himself to be weighed down by MA's pleas in Malwa. He kept forgiving AK's crimes that resulted in an irrepairable one.

Rajat conveyed all this and more in this episode which is one of his bests. He felt in his badi ammi's karz not just for being his dai but for the risks she took in keeping him alive. Jalal would not have been alive to be the Emperor if not for MA. How many wet nurses have the gall to face the bullets from the canon and save the heir of the sultanate. That made her ever so special to him. But he paid a very heavy price for that a la Karna. His 'Afsos to is baat ki hai ki in sab baaton ka karz hum is tarah chukha rahe hain' was akin to Karna's krin utarna by siding his friend and staying knowingly on the side of adharma. But  MA and AK's crimes  against the Sultanate and his being the king helped Jalal to overpower the krin ka bhoj that Karna never managed to. He gave Adhaam his due and samhaar-ed him.


Looking at himself in the mirror he realised  what Adham Khan had done unto him. Rajat was too good in the hamam today as well, ...err....., I mean acting wise. The wish to cleanse himself of his doodh-bro's blood and his own errors in letting him err and the  consequences it wrought  made him scream out desperately to what he lost - his father figure and most loyal aide.



I found Ashwini extremely good yesterday. We could actually feel for her yesterday though we always knew that she was evil. No wonder she manipulated Jalal all this while.  But today it was an overdose and the impact was lost.



AK was just like Duryodhan. Till his end he had no remorse for what he had done. Just like Duryodhan kept calling the Pandavas as dusht Paandav till the end, AK also looked at Jalal with hatred and malice till his last.


Jodha had declared in the early days of her marriage that she has and will have no fear of Jalal at all, but she admitted to her fear today and was peeping into the hamam like a mouse, after all her declarations of no fear ever against anyone. She is the single most consistently inconsistent character of the show. But I was so pleased with Jodha today that she didn't give any paap-punya lectures. Good girl. Also, she awoke to facts sooner and sensed that she needed to support him.



There was something powerful and real about the whole proceeds yesterday. Jalal in red standing on rooftop and punishing AK. Of course the talk to assembled-in-seconds awaam was OTT. But the awaam knew AK's atrocities and Jalal's silence as AK was his brother and Jalal was aware of it too and perhaps felt an inward guilt. By showing that justice was dearer to him than his emotions, he proved a point to his people and to himself.

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Re: Jodha Akbar 314-316: Nemesis

Post by lashy on 2014-08-29, 02:33

Last night's  episode belonged entirely to Rajat's Jalal. wrote: long hug Periyamma beautiful write up as always!

I loved Rajat, Ashwini and Chetan aunty. Acting wise, I felt like it was like watching a match between No.1 No.2 and No.3

The  scene  that stayed with me was the very  last shot of Jalal's frozen  face as he looks after  a fainting Mahaam Anga who is being led away. 
Yes... this scene stayed with me too! And despite how terrible he was supposed to look, his sharp features looked extraordinary being highlighted by those bloody trails on his face.. 

Nemesis for Jalal tooNemesis is the Greek goddess of  retribution to mortals for their sins, and last night she finally caught up, no, not just with Adham Khan, the obvious candidate, but with Jalal as   well. Before you start protesting,  let me explain why. 
No aunty most felt the same... Jalal was very guilty and angry - angry with himself, with Adham, with MA- and with his own fate!

usme itna dimaag nahin hai ki wo koyo saazish kar sake.  So, he is confident that Wo kuch galat nahin karega.  
Very very silly lines - don't suit the sensibilities of a shrewd emperor...  Embarassed

By the icy venom with which he says Adham, mere bhai..
OMG OMG OMG... I LOVED LOVED LOVED the way he said Adham mere bhai! Just loved it... today... watched it again... a cold hatred, callous anger when he emphasizes on the 'bhai' Shocked

And  who in that crowd would  have cared a hoot if Adham had been thrown down a hundred times instead of four?
One person cares na aunty.... Jodha Begum... on whom, currently the entire serial and all it's characters revolve! I so wish she was totally kept away from this track... because they have done HK's Rajput lineage no favours with her shirking away from her bloody husband act!

I totally failed to comprehend why Jalal was indulging  in all this extended , OTT justification,   and the above is the only halfway satisfactory explanation I could come  up with.  That, and the other, self-evident one that deep inside  Jalal, the reluctance to punish a person long close to him is so overpowering that it even overcomes his stated determination to never see Mahaam again,  and to no longer call her   his Badiammi.
Aunty, were the sequences so violent? Because I could not find the online links after the first time he was pushed off.. and today in UK Zee they've directly cut it from the first fall straight to the room scene  Evil or Very Mad

The  execution of Adham in the film was  much more  controlled and simple, and thus elegant. 
I would assume the death would be closer to this ghastly picture we saw yesterday than what we saw in the movie. After all, it was an act fuelled by extreme rage. Not a well planned execution! Besides, I don't even remember half the emotions on Hrithik's face following the death of Atgah. Rajat's Jalal is something I can never forget. (Both Hrithik and Rajat are my favourite Bollywood Tellywood heroes respectively hpee )

Maybe they also wanted to highlight the (historically true)   point that Akbar was physically very strong.  So, it would seen, is Rajat!
I wonder how he managed that feat. Isn't Chetan nearly twice his size? Shocked

Mahaam: never say dieAshwini's Mahaam, hoping against hope to save her son's life,  was the other bravura performance last night, and though not on par with Rajat's Jalal, it was also very impressive. For  one thing,  Ashwini has never before got the chance to play Mahaam quite like this.

All in all,  a very different and praiseworthy take on Mahaam by Ashwini.
Aunty I still stand by what I said long before. She is the best actress in television today - I like her better than Ila Arun and Mitha Vashisht. I can't see the latter two being able to portray such a range of emotions within a fleeting minute. Besides, she is also quite beautiful to look at! hpee

If Jodha is so  upset with her patidev's kroorta  towards a  certified traitor and criminal like Adham, how would she have reacted to Akbar's really wanton display of cruelty at Chittor? By any odds, she should have burst several blood vessels and retreated to Amer for life.  I somehow doubt if Ekta is going to touch on the fall of Chittor!
I hope for our sanity, they don't direct Chittor! But, letting go of another track to show Akbar in poor light? I doubt it! Rolling Eyes

Questions of the day:  1) How is is that while Salima. Hamida and all the rest are clucking their tongues and grieving for Javeda, no one seems to have a thought to spare for Jijianga,  whose husband had, to his last breath, striven to protect Jalal and his takht?  It looked almost as if they were all  mourning the passing of Adham Khan, but were not particularly concerned about Atgah Khan. And this when Jijianga is one of Hamida's close coterie!
Seriously ridiculous aunty. So much of over emphasis on MA-Javeda-Adham and so little on Jiji-Atgah? Makes NO SENSE! I feel they totally underplayed Atgah Sahab's posthumous sequences - the biggest culprit of the lot being Jiji Anga herself. I mean what was she actually doing  - it almost sounded like a weepy complaint rather than a heartbroken wail from a grieving widow! The amount of concern she used to shower whenever Atgah sustained a scratch or an injury was far greater than what we saw today. Even Javeda's farewell to Adham was longer than Jiji's was to Atgah Sahab! No

The only person who actually mourned for Atgah was Jalal! No one else. 

Btw, I wish Jalal hadn't gone to meet Jodha either. That scene achieved nothing both ways - did neither any favour. I think he went to see her because she was the only one missing in that earlier meet up with the rest of the ladies! 
Anyway, let's see how they take the story after this!

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Post by lashy on 2014-08-29, 02:36

Beautiful write up Sandy  Clap

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Post by mandygi on 2014-08-29, 05:22

shyamala main kya bolun! you said it all and i am still in rajat's land dreamy and intoxicated by the effect of his performance..and am looking forward to upcoming episodes where he will nail it yet again! wait till we get twins death..but how i wish more of the rona dhona is postponed for a while and want to see light hearted birbal now!

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Post by sashashyam on 2014-08-29, 11:40


Thank you, Mandy dear,  for liking this one. It was one I wrote from the heart, after what seems like ages.

Rajat was so good even in yesterday's mediocre episode that one got the full measure of  his talent. The way he came looked at himself in the mirror before he walked away, and his washing himself compulsively in the hamaam, reminiscent, as Adiana noted, of Lady Macbeth, it was all so good I could not take in anyone else in the frame. The rest, especially the OTT and overextended Mahaam, and the flat as a pancake Jodha, were below par, way below par.

I too  would like some genuine light relief after all this heavy duty stuff, but not ersatz romantic scenes between Jalal and Jodha of the kind they dished out after the chota jashn!

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mandygishyamala main kya bolun! you said it all and i am still in rajat's land dreamy and intoxicated by the effect of his performance..and am looking forward to upcoming episodes where he will nail it yet again! wait till we get twins death..but how i wish more of the rona dhona is postponed for a while and want to see light hearted birbal now!

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Post by mandygi on 2014-08-29, 12:22

shyamala so well said..romantic scenes are as flat as PS's acting! i just watch rajat and the rest i imagine myself when i was younger hppy
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Thank you, Mandy dear,  for liking this one. It was one I wrote from the heart, after what seems like ages.

Rajat was so good even in yesterday's mediocre episode that one got the full measure of  his talent. The way he came looked at himself in the mirror before he walked away, and his washing himself compulsively in the hamaam, reminiscent, as Adiana noted, of Lady Macbeth, it was all so good I could not take in anyone else in the frame. The rest, especially the OTT and overextended Mahaam, and the flat as a pancake Jodha, were below par, way below par.

I too  would like some genuine light relief after all this heavy duty stuff, but not ersatz romantic scenes between Jalal and Jodha of the kind they dished out after the chota jashn!

Shyamala


mandygishyamala main kya bolun! you said it all and i am still in rajat's land dreamy and intoxicated by the effect of his performance..and am looking forward to upcoming episodes where he will nail it yet again! wait till we get twins death..but how i wish more of the rona dhona is postponed for a while and want to see light hearted birbal now!

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Post by sashashyam on 2014-08-29, 12:29

Thank you, Lashykanna. I wanted to write this one, after what seems like a long time, and I was pleased with the end result, so I knew you would like it. My comments are in blue, below yours.

Shyamala Aunty

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Last night's  episode belonged entirely to Rajat's Jalal. wrote: long hug Periyamma beautiful write up as always!

I loved Rajat, Ashwini and Chetan aunty. Acting wise, I felt like it was like watching a match between No.1 No.2 and No.3

You know, I once met Chetan at a function in Montreal in early 2006, when I was the Indian High Commissioner there. He was not so huge then, curiously enough, must have been 6 feet plus, but not this tall, nor was he so bulky.  Anyhow, he and his costar Aashka Goradia (Rani Dheeerbaiji in Maharana Pratap) in a Balaji serial called Kkusum,  complained vociferously to me about the way the CVs operated, often letting them know what they would be doing that day only after they reached the sets. I remember Chetan as handsome and charming, and he did not look as coarse as he does now.

Actingwise, he is straightjacketed into a role that offers no scope for nuances, but he has the presence and the vazan for a  solid bad guy, and in that sense he delivers. I do not know  if he can handle nuances even if he was asked to do so.

The  scene  that stayed with me was the very  last shot of Jalal's frozen  face as he looks after  a fainting Mahaam Anga who is being led away. 
Yes... this scene stayed with me too! And despite how terrible he was supposed to look, his sharp features looked extraordinary being highlighted by those bloody trails on his face..  He looked like the statue of an avenging deity, a sort of male version of Nemesis. It is interesting that in Greek mythology, all the avenging deities are female!

Nemesis for Jalal tooNemesis is the Greek goddess of  retribution to mortals for their sins, and last night she finally caught up, no, not just with Adham Khan, the obvious candidate, but with Jalal as   well. Before you start protesting,  let me explain why. 
No aunty most felt the same... Jalal was very guilty and angry - angry with himself, with Adham, with MA- and with his own fate! Well,  my dear, I am glad to know that, for you  know that I do not trawl the forum. The guilt will not leave him for a very   long time.

usme itna dimaag nahin hai ki wo koyo saazish kar sake.  So, he is confident that Wo kuch galat nahin karega.  
Very very silly lines - don't suit the sensibilities of a shrewd emperor...  Embarassed

By the icy venom with which he says Adham, mere bhai..
OMG OMG OMG... I LOVED LOVED LOVED the way he said Adham mere bhai! Just loved it... today... watched it again... a cold hatred, callous anger when he emphasizes on the 'bhai' Shocked  That whole sequence was splendid, and Jalal, as Donjas put it, was "magnificently savage", like Adiana's parallel with Narasimha.

And  who in that crowd would  have cared a hoot if Adham had been thrown down a hundred times instead of four?
One person cares na aunty.... Jodha Begum... on whom, currently the entire serial and all it's characters revolve! I so wish she was totally kept away from this track... because they have done HK's Rajput lineage no favours with her shirking away from her bloody husband act! You know, I simply could not understand  why Hamida did not drag Jodha away. What was going on was hardly the sort of stuff prescribed for expectant mothers. Their joint goings on were both ludicrous and irritating.

I totally failed to comprehend why Jalal was indulging  in all this extended , OTT justification,   and the above is the only halfway satisfactory explanation I could come  up with.  That, and the other, self-evident one that deep inside  Jalal, the reluctance to punish a person long close to him is so overpowering that it even overcomes his stated determination to never see Mahaam again,  and to no longer call her   his Badiammi.
Aunty, were the sequences so violent? Because I could not find the online links after the first time he was pushed off.. and today in UK Zee they've directly cut it from the first fall straight to the room scene  Evil or Very Mad  No, my dear, they were not particularly violent. Adham was dragged up three times -  each time, they showed only the beginning from down below and his arrival on the terrace.

But the UK Zee seems to have been  very stupid. What you  missed  seems to have been quite a lot. For one thing, Jalal tells Adham, before the second throw, that the reason why he had not died at once was that until he had suffered for all his sins,even  death would not embrace him. Then he says This is for the little girl whose  izzat you tried to despoil,  and barks Phir se phenko ise!

After the second dragging up, he tells Adham This is for all the times when I paid my debts (not quite sure of the exact words here, but the implication was of his debts to Mahaam) but  every time tumne uska galat fayda uthaya. Again the Phir se phenko!

The last time,  he almost whispers to Adham, This is for the mother's love that you always misused, for the love of a brother that  you always exploited.  Finally, kneeling besides the battered and bloody Adham,  Jalal adds, this time with savage emphasis,  This is for your taking Atgah Saheb away from me, for depriving me of my ataliq! And his eyes gleam with savage joy, looking almost demented as he orders Is bar isi sr ke bal phenko!

He stands there at the edge of the terrace, looking down at the now dead Adham, and I thought only  of a statue of vengeance.  Then he goes down to the garden level,  heaves Adham up, and proceeds to the public venue.

If you were not shown all this, you missed the real impact of Jalal's  meting out instant justice.

Which room sequence are you talking about? There was no room sequence anywhere there.


Another odd thing I have noticed over the past week. The JA  telecasts at 8 and 11 pm have a net duration of 26 1/2 minutes, 5 minutes longer than the usual  average. The telecast time is also nearly 36 minutes. But the 2 am repeat telecast, probably the one you saw in the UK, is always edited down to the standard duration of 21 minutes, which is a huge cut of fully 5  minutes. I  have no idea why they are doing  this of late.

The  execution of Adham in the film was  much more  controlled and simple, and thus elegant. 
I would assume the death would be closer to this ghastly picture we saw yesterday than what we saw in the movie. After all, it was an act fuelled by extreme rage. Not a well planned execution! Besides, I don't even remember half the emotions on Hrithik's face following the death of Atgah. Rajat's Jalal is something I can never forget. (Both Hrithik and Rajat are my favourite Bollywood Tellywood heroes respectively hpee ) Hrithik, who is also my screen favourite, showed a sudden  fit of fury, mainly thru his eyes, which widened and flared up as if a flame had been lit behind them.  I was rewatching the film recently, and so I am clear about that. There, Adham was not trying to murder Jalal and seize the throne, so the context was quite different. It was only justice for the murder of Atgah Khan, and for (involuntarily, to be accurate, he was not really thinking of doing it) raising his sword against the Shahenshah. The scene between Jalal and Jodha in the film after the execution of Adham was sensitive and credible. Jalal has no notion of going to Maham till Jodha advises him to do it, but she does that so delicately, not like this bhashan ki malika.

Maybe they also wanted to highlight the (historically true)   point that Akbar was physically very strong.  So, it would seen, is Rajat!
I wonder how he managed that feat. Isn't Chetan nearly twice his size? Shocked  Well, 150%, more like, mostly in volume. He must be almost a full foot, or at least 10 inches  taller, at about 6'5', than Rajat. But it is possible, if the balance is adjusted properly. After all, weightlifters often lift more that twice their body weight. And Chetan's long body lends itself to such  adjustment of its centre of gravity. I am sure Rajat really lifted him; that was an unbroken shot and he staggered before regaining his balance.

Mahaam: never say dieAshwini's Mahaam, hoping against hope to save her son's life,  was the other bravura performance last night, and though not on par with Rajat's Jalal, it was also very impressive. For  one thing,  Ashwini has never before got the chance to play Mahaam quite like this.

All in all,  a very different and praiseworthy take on Mahaam by Ashwini.
Aunty I still stand by what I said long before. She is the best actress in television today - I like her better than Ila Arun and Mitha Vashisht. I can't see the latter two being able to portray such a range of emotions within a fleeting minute. Besides, she is also quite beautiful to look at! hpee Here, and especially in this episode, where she had unprecedented scope,  yes. But not in serials like Kasam Se, which I watched for a while, where she hammed away to glory. She was very sound and credible as Inspector  Asha in the early, 2000-2002  CID episodes which I watched recently in re-runs. She is a very competent actress if well directed.

But as Mahaam, she was often OTT, and the character was of a cheap, if very astute,  schemer who has no real love, when all is said and done, for Jalal, for she was able to kill all his unborn children without  a qualm.  Now Ila Arun, whom I have seen only in the Jodhaa Akbar film, was quite  different. Her Mahaam was not cheap, nor did she ever have any idea of making her son the emperor. She was like an austere nun, in her get up and her characterisation, cold, remote and at times quite frightening.

This one is just a jumped up baandi, and that shows all the time. But yes,  Ashwino is quite goodlooking, and her teeth are superb!


If Jodha is so  upset with her patidev's kroorta  towards a  certified traitor and criminal like Adham, how would she have reacted to Akbar's really wanton display of cruelty at Chittor? By any odds, she should have burst several blood vessels and retreated to Amer for life.  I somehow doubt if Ekta is going to touch on the fall of Chittor!
I hope for our sanity, they don't direct Chittor! But, letting go of another track to show Akbar in poor light? I doubt it! Rolling Eyes  I don't think they will take it up, my dear, for one thing because of the budget.

Questions of the day:  1) How is is that while Salima. Hamida and all the rest are clucking their tongues and grieving for Javeda, no one seems to have a thought to spare for Jijianga,  whose husband had, to his last breath, striven to protect Jalal and his takht?  It looked almost as if they were all  mourning the passing of Adham Khan, but were not particularly concerned about Atgah Khan. And this when Jijianga is one of Hamida's close coterie!
Seriously ridiculous aunty. So much of over emphasis on MA-Javeda-Adham and so little on Jiji-Atgah? Makes NO SENSE! I feel they totally underplayed Atgah Sahab's posthumous sequences - the biggest culprit of the lot being Jiji Anga herself. I mean what was she actually doing  - it almost sounded like a weepy complaint rather than a heartbroken wail from a grieving widow! The amount of concern she used to shower whenever Atgah sustained a scratch or an injury was far greater than what we saw today. Even Javeda's farewell to Adham was longer than Jiji's was to Atgah Sahab! No

The only person who actually mourned for Atgah was Jalal! No one else. 

Btw, I wish Jalal hadn't gone to meet Jodha either. That scene achieved nothing both ways - did neither any favour. I think he went to see her because she was the only one missing in that earlier meet up with the rest of the ladies! Here is what I wrote about that scene,  and the one that followed, on Divya's latest thread. It might interest you.

I was relieved that Jodha did not deliver another bhashan,  this time on the need for manushyataa and avoiding kroorta, but that was about all I will give her credit for,  I simply cannot understand why she shrinks away from Jalal.

I do not know if you are familiar with the famous English mystery novelist Dorothy Sayers, and her  aristocratic detective, Lord Peter Wimsey.  One night he comes  home deeply distraught at the hanging of someone he had helped capture and convict,  and is beset with guilt that wracks him inside out.  As he comes up the stairs, his wife is sitting in her bedroom (in the early 20th century, separate bedrooms for the English upper class couples was the norm) and thinking : If he does not come to me now, I have failed as his wife.  She is relieved only when he comes to her, drops on his knees at her side, and buries his face  in her lap.

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is protective  love. Not shrinking way from your dazed, stumbling and visibly  miserable husband as if he was a leper. And then running after him not to help him,  but to keep him from doing anything anuchit.  if that word was banned, Jodha Begum would become speechless!

Plus, I do not think she had any understanding of what Atgah's death meant to Jalal till she sees him howling with pain in the bath, like Hrithik's Altaf in Mission Kashmir (and Jalal himself on learning of his Khan baba's  being killed)

As for the hamaam, I do not think  Jodha could have helped him in any way there, and so it was as well that she stayed in the corner.. If she was to  comfort him, it would  have had to be earlier, in her rooms, by sitting him down, hugging him as he was, and then getting hot water in a basin and sponging his face.
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Anyway, let's see how they take the story after this! Well, the quality dipped sharply last night.

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Where, my little Anjali, do you get these photos from? The before, during and after ones are a scream. I must show them to my mother, who also loved that pouting baby in your last post.

Well,well, 2 days to go. I hope the unfortunate young man does not have any idea of what he is getting into! He will be expected to hunt endlessly for pictures, especially baby pictures, to illustrate your innumerable messages of all kinds.  Make sure he does  not find out about all this, my pet, or you will have a runaway fiance on your hands! Or rather not on your hands!!

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I agree, Munni, and you will have noticed that this is a major theme in my post, with the whole of the  Hidden  self-condemnation part being only about that. Yes, he is telling himself that he will never make this mistake again, and I do hope he does not. But the direct guilt for having ignored Atgah's own advice not to let Adham roam around free, and thus letting him murder Atgah, will always be there, for years.

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munnironyaunty, i think the explanation to the awaam was more for himself than for others. his guilt was killing him & also his "dooh ka karz" had stopped him evrytime to take sum serious step. this guilt was killing him. & thus he needed to burst out. also it was a warning for evryone tht next time he wont spare any adham khan due to any "dooh ka karz".

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Post by sashashyam on 2014-08-29, 13:26


Thank you, my dear Raksha! This was one  post I wanted to write.

Yes, Jalal looked exactly like an Angel of Death, or an avenging deity finally satiated after the death of Adham. That last shot after the meeeting with the awaam was spectacular, even if not as gripping as the very last shot that I had highlighted in  this post.

As for Jodha, while I was very pleased that your dire predictions did not come true, what did happen was unsatisfactory enough. You would be  interested in what I wrote last night on Divya's latest thread about  that scene and the one  that followed, in the hamaam.


“I was relieved that Jodha did not deliver another bhashan,  this time on the need for manushyataa and avoiding kroorta, but that was about all I will give her credit for,  I simply cannot understand why she shrinks away from Jalal.

I do not know if you are familiar with the famous English mystery novelist Dorothy Sayers, and her  aristocratic detective, Lord Peter Wimsey.  One night he comes  home deeply distraught at the hanging of someone he had helped capture and convict,  and is beset with guilt that wracks him inside out.  As he comes up the stairs, his wife is sitting in her bedroom (in the early 20th century, separate bedrooms for the English upper class couples was the norm) and thinking : If he does not come to me now, I have failed as his wife.  She is relieved only when he comes to her, drops on his knees at her side, and buries his face  in her lap.

That is protective  love. Not shrinking way from your dazed, stumbling and visibly  miserable husband as if he was a leper. And then running after him not to help him,  but to keep him from doing aur kuch anuchit,the  inescapable implication being that the execution of Adham was anuchit. Grrr…

If that word was banned, Jodha Begum would become speechless!

Plus, I do not think she had any understanding of what Atgah's death meant to Jalal till she sees him howling with pain in the bath, like Hrithik's Altaf in Mission Kashmir (and Jalal himself on learning of his Khan baba's  being killed)

As for the hamaam, I do not think  Jodha could have helped him in any way there, and so it was as well that she stayed in the corner.. If she was to  comfort him, it would  have had to be earlier, in her rooms, by sitting him down, hugging him as he was, and then getting hot water in a basin and sponging his face”.

I was really irritated when she did absolutely nothing even after watching him tear  himself  to bits  in the hamaam. At least she could have put a comforting hand on his shoulder at the end. But I think it is as Sandhya notes with ill concealed glee.  Jodha is afraidof this Jalal.

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rpeezBrilliant post aunty! 

Jalaal's anger was truly more with himself than Adham. And how beautifully portrayed by RT! There was nothing but determeination in his eyes when he fought Adham. And even during the fight he was overwhelmed with his emotion, and there were moments when Adham had an advantage over him. To me and angel of death if there was ever one, would look like Jalaal yesterday.

Now my real annoyance is with Jodha. She expects superhuman understanding of her own actions, but is judgmental when it comes to those around her. Historically, Jodhabai would be shocked as in the movie, and she wasn't pregnant at that time, as this happened I think within six months of their marriage. But like Shraddha said in Divya's thread, it's the bane of Indian TV series, that the heroine has to be omnipresent, so we had a Jodha standing with her eyes so wide open, that curious souls could measure the radius of her pupil.  Rolling Eyes 

And yes, how could one expect her to empathise? But, that shrinking away from him was pure idiocy. But, if I have learnt anything from the serial, it will be Jalaal who will "wash away" her fears and in a "loving embrace" reassure that the precious "dil" she had found for him, was very much there, with a worried Jodha trying to squeeze herself away from his grasp so that her dress doesn't get soiled with all that blood and 3-4 liters of tear that Jalaal will produce. Grrrrr!

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Perfect, my dear! As I always say, your comments are almost always better than my post. My comments here are in blue.

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I knew it that you WILL do a post on yesterday's episodeThis is called telepathy.. Rajat was larger than life. He dominated every frame till Ashwini almost equalled him in the final scene. Yes, almost, but not quite.Still, this was far and away her best so far.

Krishna tells Karna during Karna's final talk that Bheeshma dronacharya and Karna  are more responsible for the war than Duryodhan himself. The inaction of the good can do more damage than the action of the bad. How true it is in Jalal's case. His inaction, his leniency to his family, his overlooking the evil of his doodh-brother, his failure as a king to render justice has cost him dear. HE is more responsible for the death of one of the most loyal minister of the Sultanate than Adham Khan. It is this guilt and anger that was eating him from within. His rage was more at himself than Adham. He knew MA and Adham's evils. He knew that MA was responsible for BK's death. He knew that AK was responsible for the loots, murders and bad name for the empire at Malwa. Yet he allowed himself to be weighed down by MA's pleas in Malwa. He kept forgiving AK's crimes that resulted in an irrepairable one.Yes, my dear, and that was why i had that long section Hidden self-condemnation. Still, he does not know about her worst crimes, against his unborn children. And in Malwa, she murders those two silly  girls who tell her that they will testify against Adham, so Jalal, having agreed to wait for the evidence, is stumped. Otherwise he would have killed him on the spot. That was the old Jalal, as fiercely committed to the welfare of his awaam  as this one, but far more decisive, harsh and dominating. I was delighted to rediscover that Jalal, in an improved version 3.0, on Wednesday night.

Rajat conveyed all this and more in this episode which is one of his bests. He felt in his badi ammi's karz not just for being his dai but for the risks she took in keeping him alive. Jalal would not have been alive to be the Emperor if not for MA. How many wet nurses have the gall to face the bullets from the canon and save the heir of the sultanate. That made her ever so special to him. Yes, that is quite true, whence her lifelong rivalry with Bairam Khan for  the control of Jalal's mind.  But he paid a very heavy price for that a la Karna. His 'Afsos to is baat ki hai ki in sab baaton ka karz hum is tarah chukha rahe hain' was akin to Karna's krin utarna by siding his friend and staying knowingly on the side of adharma. But  MA and AK's crimes  against the Sultanate and his being the king helped Jalal to overpower the krin ka bhoj that Karna never managed to. He gave Adhaam his due and samhaar-ed him. I love the word Samhaar. It has such strong and untranslatable nuances of meaning. I once wrote a post with the title Samhaar.

Looking at himself in the mirror he realised  what Adham Khan had done unto him. Rajat was too good in the hamam today as well, ...err....., I mean acting wise. The wish to cleanse himself of his doodh-bro's blood and his own errors in letting him err and the  consequences it wrought  made him scream out desperately to what he lost - his father figure and most loyal aide.

I found Ashwini extremely good yesterday. We could actually feel for her yesterday though we always knew that she was evil. No wonder she manipulated Jalal all this while.  But today it was an overdose and the impact was lost. Yes, this is what happens when people do not know when  to stop. She went on and on and on.

AK was just like Duryodhan. Till his end he had no remorse for what he had done. Just like Duryodhan kept calling the Pandavas as dusht Paandav till the end, AK also looked at Jalal with hatred and malice till his last. Yes, and I used to be infuriated when, as a teenager, I read in Rajaji's Mahabharata  that Duryodhana attained veergati  in Kurukshetra and thus went straight to heaven!

Jodha had declared in the early days of her marriage that she has and will have no fear of Jalal at all, but she admitted to her fear today and was peeping into the hamam like a mouse, after all her declarations of no fear ever against anyone. She is the single most consistently inconsistent character of the show. Excellent! But I was so pleased with Jodha today that she didn't give any paap-punya lectures. Good girl. Also, she awoke to facts sooner and sensed that she needed to support him.

You would like to see what I wrote on Divya's thread of last night about these scenes.


“I was relieved that Jodha did not deliver another bhashan,  this time on the need for manushyataa and avoiding kroorta, but that was about all I will give her credit for,  I simply cannot understand why she shrinks away from Jalal.

I do not know if you are familiar with the famous English mystery novelist Dorothy Sayers, and her  aristocratic detective, Lord Peter Wimsey.  One night he comes  home deeply distraught at the hanging of someone he had helped capture and convict,  and is beset with guilt that wracks him inside out.  As he comes up the stairs, his wife is sitting in her bedroom (in the early 20th century, separate bedrooms for the English upper class couples was the norm) and thinking : If he does not come to me now, I have failed as his wife.  She is relieved only when he comes to her, drops on his knees at her side, and buries his face  in her lap.

That is protective  love. Not shrinking way from your dazed, stumbling and visibly  miserable husband as if he was a leper. And then running after him not to help him,  but to keep him from doing aur kuch anuchit,the  inescapable implication being that the execution of Adham was anuchit. Grrr…


If that word was banned, Jodha Begum would become speechless!

Plus, I do not think she had any understanding of what Atgah's death meant to Jalal till she sees him howling with pain in the bath, like Hrithik's Altaf in Mission Kashmir (and Jalal himself on learning of his Khan baba's  being killed)

As for the hamaam, I do not think  Jodha could have helped him in any way there, and so it was as well that she stayed in the corner.. If she was to  comfort him, it would  have had to be earlier, in her rooms, by sitting him down, hugging him as he was, and then getting hot water in a basin and sponging his face”.



I was really irritated when she did absolutely nothing even after watching him tear  himself  to bits  in the hamaam. At least she could have put a comforting hand on his shoulder at the end. But I think it is as  you have noted with ill concealed glee, my pet.  Jodha is afraid of this Jalal. 


There was something powerful and real about the whole proceeds yesterday. That was precisely it, Sandhya. It was like something out of the Greek epics, perhaps  the scenes of Ulysses and his son slaughtering the suitors of Penelope.  At the end of the address to the awaam, Jalal looked like an avenging deity who is finally satiated, or, as Raksha puts it, like an Angel of Death.

Jalal in red standing on rooftop and punishing AK. Of course the talk to assembled-in-seconds awaam was OTT. But the awaam knew AK's atrocities and Jalal's silence as AK was his brother and Jalal was aware of it too and perhaps felt an inward guilt. By showing that justice was dearer to him than his emotions, he proved a point to his people and to himself. Yes, at long last, der aaye durust aaye. Add all the weak judgments and wrong-headed forgiving done at the instance of Jodha Begum, Sharifuddin being the best example of this.

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Post by sashashyam on 2014-08-29, 14:06

My dear Adiana,

I knew you and I would be of exactly the same mind on this episode, and so I agree with all that you have said here. My supplementary comments are in blue.

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adianasrWhat an episode it was Shayamala - in fact what a build up for last night !!!! - I am still numb !!!! And what class act and what brilliant direction of the last scene !!!!!!

Let me start with Rajat - I have no more adjectives and superlatives left - and today he has gone beyond all of it - I was waiting for your take on him in last night's epi !!!!

Next is Ashwini - this is definitely Ashwini's best so far!!!!

And last Chetan - He made us all feel bad for the bad guy - what better testimony to his ability than this!!!!! Well, I did not feel at all bad for him. In fact , I felt quite bloodthirsty, and would have liked to have carved him up good and proper.

You know, I once met Chetan at a function in Montreal in early 2006, when I was the Indian High Commissioner there. He was not so huge then, curiously enough, must have been 6 feet plus, but not this tall, nor was he so bulky.  Anyhow, he and his costar Aashka Goradia (Rani Dheeerbaiji in Maharana Pratap) in a Balaji serial called Kkusum,  complained vociferously to me about the way the CVs operated, often letting them know what they would be doing that day only after they reached the sets. I remember Chetan as handsome and charming, and he did not look as coarse as he does now.

Actingwise, he is straightjacketed into a role that offers no scope for nuances, but he has the presence and the vazan for a  solid bad guy, and in that sense he delivers. I do not know  if he can handle nuances even if he was asked to do so.



Coming to the epi last night, in that last scene of MA and Jalal, when Jalal takes MA into his embrace - what struck me was how this man has given his shoulder for all to lean on never asking for a similar succor - was he ever allowed to be a child - was he ever allowed to feel afraid - was he ever allowed to express insecurity - could he ever let himself feel dejected - This man gave of himself to all who asked and never expected anyone to do the same for him?!?!?!?!
So very beautifully and perceptively put, Adiana. That is exactly it. But there are people like this, you know, and they NEVER get their due. It is your Ms.Kayanat's great levelling mechanism.
yes one day Jodha will do for him what he does for her and all the others - but that day is not today  I somehow doubt if she ever will. but let that pass- she still has not understood the ramifications of what AK's pardon would have on the Loyalists and the Separatists - I do not think she feels Adham should be pardoned,or even let off from the death penalty. I think she wants something like a clean beheading  and Adham ka sar at Jalal's feet. What she objects to is this prolonged and brutal exercise. What she does not understand, besides all the very pertinent points you have made and which would go clean over her pretty little head, is that  when Jalal is in such red hot fury of vengeance, It would be disastrous to try to persuade him to back off.

She is still in some Shanghri - la where she thinks all mistakes can be pardoned and everyone would appreciate it and praise it - she does not realise that loyalty like Atgha's also demands a similar loyalty from the Emperor  

Jodha's reaction to Akbar's punishment for AK was - hum unhe yeh kroorta nahin karne de sakte - Kroorta ??????? Yes, and I saw red when she said last night that she should stop  him from doing kuch aur anuchit,  which clearly meant that she saw the manner, if not the fact of Adham's execution as anuchit.
As I said, she has no understanding of the ramifications of AK's pardon or even if AK was given an easy death - here what mattered was that loyalists were given the msg that their loyalty would always be treasured and anyone harming them for being loyal would have a death as bad or even worse than AK's - this was not about AK - this was about treasuring the kind of loyalty that Atgha had shown - that kind that is rarer than the rarest gem. Spot on!

Jodha does not even understand the ramifications of pardoning AK after the killing of Atgha - No one - No one would have any faith in the Mughal justice if the killer of Atgha was not given capital punishment - and no one would want to be so loyal to the Emperor as to put his own life on line if AK was not killed by the Emperor immediately - this was not just about an eye for an eye - it was the msg that needed to get across to both the loyalists and the separatists - that anyone who touched loyalists like Atgha actually had touched the Emperor and would be punished immediately and there would be no leniency - this is the 16th century but even today the kind of loyalty that Atgha showed would evoke the same response as it did then from Akbar. Splendidly put, my dear!

Akbar had to choose between 2 evils - and he chose the lesser one - Mishti was absolutely rt. - ppl only judge the final act they do not see the choices !!!! That is why I never bother to read anything in the forum bar a few tested writers. It is a waste of time and energy, plus one's temper gets unnecessarily riled.

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Re: Jodha Akbar 314-316: Nemesis

Post by mishti on 2014-08-30, 16:50

Hello Aunty,
Sorry for my late reply, but I'd read your take on its posting day itself.
Like RT's act every time, your write up too is much above for me to say anything Aunty...and when you write Dile se..its a Gem.

You and every one else here with such vast knowledge of history. philosophy, and human psyche had said every thing, and dissected the episode to the 'T'.
I'm not that big enough wrt knowledge to say anything else here. hpee

For the moment, I am entranced by Rajat's Jalal eyes, this whole week....each day same man, but conveyed new and different emotions, some raw, some regal but his eyes were truly a window to his soul

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Re: Jodha Akbar 314-316: Nemesis

Post by sashashyam on 2014-08-31, 20:41

Don't you see, little Mishti, that you have said the most beautiful thing in this whole thread, that Jalal's eyes are  a  window to his soul? Never underestimate yourself,  my dear.Shyamala Auntymishti wrote:Hello Aunty,
Sorry for my late reply, but I'd read your take on its posting day itself.
Like RT's act every time, your write up too is much above for me to say anything Aunty...and when you write Dile se..its a Gem.

You and every one else here with such vast knowledge of history. philosophy, and human psyche had said every thing, and dissected the episode to the 'T'.
I'm not that big enough wrt knowledge to say anything else here. hpee

For the moment, I am entranced by Rajat's Jalal eyes, this whole week....each day same man, but conveyed new and different emotions, some raw, some regal but his eyes were truly a window to his soul

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